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Reality or illusion? and the plot thickens

Unread postby RealityCheckBounced » Thu 21 Jul 2005, 01:51:55

OMG :shock:
I've lately found the time to dwell deeper into the internet and research the illuminati and other secret societies like skull and bone etc... I never paid much attention to what i believed "an urban legend" before this past week...this is much more serious than peak oil. We are very, very f***** peak oil or not. This whole thing is making me really depressed. It just seems to go deeper and deeper to the point that trying to explain it to some one is hopeless. You simply look like a mental case. It takes days to fully begin to appreciate the scope of it. The average attention span is just not that long. I feel like my life is an illusion that just shattered into pieces. (Whats up with Matt Simmons being on the council of foreign relations?!! Is he in the rockerfellers pocket as well?!) I'm seriously begining to wonder if peak oil isn't just another manufactured crisis...I mean pretty much everything else is a lie. This s*** could have been orchestrated 50 years ago for all we know.

I just can't grasp how our whole lives are run by the same perverse freaks of secret societies who own everything from the newspapers, magazines, and media, to oil, medicine, and pharmceuticals to congress and the white house plus the banks, fed and world economy. Is there really any hope? :? Why aren't more people concerned that our government are a bunch of free mason occultists and satanic pedophiles who make the rules behind close doors and lie with every breath? This is all very distrubing to me. These people should not be running the show and it makes me sick that they have utterly duped the masses to the point of hopelssness. And to make it worse even if you could convince the world of the fact, they would do nothing but sit back and hope someone else did something. They have been brainwashed to the point of passiveness . We are quite literally at the mercy of evil.

I feel very sad for those with children right now because i think we are entering a new dark age and i'm honestly not sure it will ever end. :( What do you guys think?
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Unread postby Badger » Thu 21 Jul 2005, 02:04:26

collectivly known as the Bilderberg group yes makes one wonder

its a case of do you trust Hubbert? his prediction seems pretty acurate no one seems to be able to dispute that from the pie charts and graphs brigade of no problemo

The Bilderberg group was formed in around 1956 and Hubbert laid it out around then whilst working for shell interesting eh but those OPEC numbers seemed to have tripped those people up some what with there economic plan and new world order...then again a population on foot is far easier to control.
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Unread postby Badger » Thu 21 Jul 2005, 02:08:35

a couple of other interesting things are the new bankruptcy laws in the US

and Monsanto own your seed stock if it gets infected with there GM seed stock
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Unread postby turmoil » Thu 21 Jul 2005, 02:11:03

we were f***** (unless we fight back) over a hundred years ago when corporations gained the rights of citizens. Hence, the elite that we see today. whether we can or will fight back remains to be seen.
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Re: and the plot thickens

Unread postby k_semler » Thu 21 Jul 2005, 02:11:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RealityCheckBounced', 'I')s there really any hope?

No, there is not.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RealityCheckBounced', 'W')hy aren't more people concerned that our government are a bunch of free mason occultists and satanic pedophiles who make the rules behind close doors and lie with every breath?

You already answered your own question in your first paragraph. "People don't have attention spans that long." You could also blame it on the constant FUD and propaganda campaign in use by the media, as well as the population actually believing what MSM says about any issue.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RealityCheckBounced', 'T')his is all very distrubing to me.

Start drinking, if you drink enough, you won't care anymore, (or be able to walk. Hell, I haven't been completly sober for one night for about 6 months now.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RealityCheckBounced', 'T')hese people should not be running the show and it makes me sick that they have utterly duped the masses to the point of hopelssness.

No argument here.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RealityCheckBounced', 'A')nd to make it worse even if you could convince the world of the fact, they would do nothing but sit back and hope someone else did something. They have been brainwashed to the point of passiveness . We are quite literally at the mercy of evil.

No argument here either. I would like to expand on it some though. Those that do resist will be completly crushed by the rolling American Steel, and made examples out of on the 24/7 news culture that has sprung up. The resistors will be played to look like "Right wing nutjobs", and the people will have the initial reaction of "wow, they went nuts." with the subconsious message not to ever mess with the federalies, and always comply to thier orders no matter how lawful.

You now have 8 choices:
1. Resist openly with arms and get crushed.
2. Employ geurilla warfare, collapse the sytem from within once the force reaches critical mass.
3. Learn to live with it, and be peaceful in it.
4. Bitch about it on the internet and go nuts.
5. Become yet another couch patriot chanting "USA USA USA USA! at sporting events like this is 1984.
6. Get drunk or stoned often, to drop out from reality and just forget all of your problems temporarily.
7. Commit suicide.
8. Choose not to choose.

Which tactics are you now employing? Which tactics do you wish to employ? Note the difference between where you want to be, and where you actually are. Work to obtain the goal of where you want to be. And don't give me "But it's easier said than done." Walking across the room is easier siad than done, but you do it every day don't you? As Yoda said, "Try not. Do, Or do not. There is no try."
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Re: and the plot thickens

Unread postby seldom_seen » Thu 21 Jul 2005, 02:33:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RealityCheckBounced', 'I')'m seriously begining to wonder if peak oil isn't just another manufactured crisis...

The important thing to understand about peak oil is that it's a geological problem (or more precisely an ecological problem).

It is bigger than, and outside the scope of the illuminati, the bilderbegers, the trilateral commission, council on foreign relations, ad infinitum. These people may have manipulative powers within the context of human society, but they had no role in the development of the earth and its oil deposits. Once these deposits are extracted, there is no super secret society that can do anything about it.

The worst they could do is try to alter people's perception of it by trying to influence people when it will occur, or that it won't occur. They don't seem to be doing that though or you'd hear about peak oil all the time on the major media outlets.
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Re: and the plot thickens

Unread postby aldente » Thu 21 Jul 2005, 02:45:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RealityCheckBounced', 'W')e are quite literally at the mercy of evil.
Close to it yes. Wait what 2012 brings...
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Unread postby The_Virginian » Thu 21 Jul 2005, 03:16:24

K_semler,

In your list -a good one BTW- I would like to add a few.

My chioce:
9. Drop out of society while maintaining your sanity. The "head for the hills" mentality. Maintain your rights of self-defense, but stay away from "trouble"

10. You could "walk like an Egyptian" and be an evil shmuk by joining the Masonic/Illuminati crowd. You will be rewarded for selling your soul.

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Unread postby MicroHydro » Thu 21 Jul 2005, 03:19:18

IMO, TPTB are not half as bright as they thought they were. In the early to mid 1990s, they were on a roll looting the corpse of the USSR and the defenseless third world. They believed that peak oil would be a distant event, 2040 or so, not worth their present attention. Then the numerous dry wells in Central Asia and drastic downward revisions of actual world oil reserves put them into panic mode. The global elite have been running around with their hair on fire since 1999. The pretense of democracy has been discarded, and any lie or atrocity that will serve to maintain their wealth and power is fair game. But the bad news for the elite is that their desperate actions are not effective. They control nothing. In the end, geology and ecology will have the final say. With the world on fire, the mansions will burn as well as the slums. If you are lucky, you might last long enough to roast some marshmallows.
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Unread postby The_Virginian » Thu 21 Jul 2005, 04:19:57

Albente wrote:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ait what 2012 brings


A poor man riding on a donkey?
[urlhttp://www.youtube.com/watchv=Ai4te4daLZs&feature=related[/url] "My soul longs for the candle and the spices. If only you would pour me a cup of wine for Havdalah...My heart yearning, I shall lift up my eyes to g-d, who provides for my needs day and night."
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Unread postby k_semler » Thu 21 Jul 2005, 04:49:50

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Unread postby rs » Thu 21 Jul 2005, 05:11:22

I think the decision to allow corporations the rights of inidividuals was one of the worst decisions ever made.

All it has done is enable wankers to screw everyone in the pursuit of money for them and their shareholders, with almost total disregard for the communities they operate in.

Pure greed and it will be the end of us. As someone else said, when we fall off the cliff someone will still be trying to make money on the way down.
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Unread postby Barbara » Thu 21 Jul 2005, 05:31:41

I begin to believe there's a spiritual solution.
If they are satanic/evil, there must be someone else on the other side trying to fight against them. And I think we could join them, but only when we're ready.
Read Rudolf Steiner, Gurdjeff, Ouspenskji and Castaneda.
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Unread postby aldente » Thu 21 Jul 2005, 11:55:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Barbara', 'R')ead Rudolf Steiner, Gurdjeff, Ouspenskji and Castaneda.
(Now I'm officially the board nutcase... :lol: )


Now that's a whole library to read. Rudolf Steiner in particular is as difficult to read as any German philosopher combined with some pretty outlandish elements, Gurdjeffs tales for his grandson are written by someone who should not have been a writer (I made it half way through the trilogy once), Ouspenki is as dry as chewing on a rock, though Carlos Castaneda is very entertaining once you have access to psychoactive substances.

What I was hinting to with 2012 had to do with the fact that the Mayan calender ends there. My hunch is that we either have an exchange of nuclear warheads grand scale (not unrealistic) or a shift in ocean currents that will completely flip the climate on this planet (eventhough such a scenario might be rather realistic mid century as complared to 7 years from now). Recommended reading, written in an entertaining style:

comming global superstorm,
sells as low as $2.99
I never had a book in my hands that I was not able to put down like that. I read it through breakfast, on the toilet, while driving in the car and while having sex (eventhough that ticked somebody else off...)
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Unread postby DomusAlbion » Thu 21 Jul 2005, 12:15:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('albente', 'c')omming global superstorm

Ack! Art Bell and Whitley Strieber! :lol: Sorry but that book was just short of Science Fiction. Art Bell has a great voice and he’s an entertaining talk show host but that book was just fantasy.
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Unread postby Jake_old » Thu 21 Jul 2005, 12:20:14

RCB, I was also concerned about these secret societies some time ago and spent many hours looking into what members of these societies said.

Of course these members have said they want to dominate a control the world, but just 'cause someone wants something does not mean that it will be achieved and I doubt that they will ever see their goal.

Its easy to see that what these people have said in public is true but its only stating a wish, you can get the impression that its all 'happening' because the wish to have power is consistent through History.

I'm finding it difficult to express what I mean.

If a comentator says that Scull & Bones is a secret organisation and has had some high profile members and then you go away and research this yourself you find it to be true and then it feels terrible, because what you thought was bollox at first is actually true.

But so what if some rich freaks want total enslavement of humanity, they want it but wont achieve it. Hell, I'd like to be ruler of the world :)

Idi Amin used to call himself 'King of the World' amongst other things, and I'm sure really did have that ambition.

I fully agree that granting companies the same rights as individuals is THE reason we are in this mess. I don't worry so much about the rich dudes themselves.
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Unread postby Doly » Thu 21 Jul 2005, 12:23:50

In other words: there are too many conspiracies in the world for any of them to be THE conspiracy.
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Unread postby BrownDog » Thu 21 Jul 2005, 12:57:00

As for corporate personhood, I'd like to see person-like penalties for crimes instead of just fines. The corporate equivalent of imprisonment would be that they would be disallowed from conducting business for X years. For serious (capital) offenses, they would be terminated (charter revoked).
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Unread postby Eli » Thu 21 Jul 2005, 14:10:12

This is an interesting post

I think the most important thing of all is not to loose hope in the face of evil.

I would like to address how the coming global conflict could be a sign of Jesus Christ's return to earth.

First Jesus did say that no one would know the hour of His return but He did tell when that hour would be very near.

"Matthew 24:4Jesus answered: "Watch out that no one deceives you. 5For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am the Christ,' and will deceive many. 6You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8All these are the beginning of birth pains."

Wars and rumors of wars is just beginning of the bad times and it is a purposely vague prophecy. PO and all our other problems are very likely to lead to many wars.

The definitive thing that Jesus said who happen at the time of his return would be the "abomination of desolation" that would appear in Jerusalem and make Jerusalem desolate and all worship there impossible. This could easily be done with a nuclear weapon.

Revelation says that at the time of the end of time no one will be able to buy or sell without the mark of the beast. I used to think that this was impossible until I read about PO, if we see total economic collapse of the currencies of the world. The world could easily see the necessity to have a new monetary system that would do away with fraud and be built from scratch.


The other thing that the world will see before Jesus returns is the rise of the ant-Christ or the beast I mentioned before. The anti-Christ will make peace with Israel and receive the worlds praise and power. He will make peace but only for a short time. Think of Hitler times 10.

One can see that if anyone comes forth and manages to bring true peace to Israel and her neighbors they will receive great praise from the whole world. This peace with Israel would be huge thing especially as it relates to Islamic terror. Sadly this is a false peace.

I think the bible describes best what mankind is truly in a struggle against in this world.

"For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms."

The time before Christ's return is going to be hell on earth and if he did not return all life on earth would be destroyed. But what keeps one going is the fact when Christ finally does return "... God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away."
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Unread postby sklump » Thu 21 Jul 2005, 14:42:10

Bah! If you look into who wrote the Bible, and you buy into the Secret Societies Who Run Stuff, the Bible itself is a brilliant psy-op. It tells us we're farmed sheep and then predicts the harvest.

That's a big "IF". I'm not taking a dogmatic position here.
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