[Shaved Monkey]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', 'C')NN and MSNBC are Russian agents striving to overthrow the American Democracy at the direction of Vladimir Putin.

[Cog]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shaved Monkey', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', 'C')NN and MSNBC are Russian agents striving to overthrow the American Democracy at the direction of Vladimir Putin.

[vtsnowedin]

If the media and the Dems get Trump removed from office anytime before January 2021 it will be a victory for Putin. He would probably be sabotaging a Hillary presidency as well only enlisting Fox news instead of CNN.

[Shaved Monkey]

The longer he stay the more Putin and the world laughs at him

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shaved Monkey', 'T')he longer he stay the more Putin and the world laughs at him

[Cog]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shaved Monkey', 'T')he longer he stay the more Putin and the world laughs at him

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shaved Monkey', 'T')he longer he stay the more Putin and the world laughs at him

[evilgenius]

So, if Putin launched a misinformation campaign against Hillary Clinton because of his own dislike of her does that mean that Trump had anything to do with it? Trump had ties to Russia, but that doesn't mean he had anything to do with the campaign. It might only mean he wouldn't be a target. It's a good idea to investigate the situation simply because the most likely scenario may not be the actual scenario. To attach any more importance to the investigation than that is probably unfounded.

[onlooker]

The Deep State as always tried to undermine Russia as a natural adversary of it. Also, given that the MSM is a mouthpiece of the US govt. , only so much credence can be given to MSM stories

[rockdoc123]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')lso, given that the MSM is a mouthpiece of the US govt. , only so much credence can be given to MSM stories

[vtsnowedin]

The military-Industrial establishment including the deep state often uses Russia and the other socialist dictatorships as an excuse for increased military spending which they skim off of. They will switch between parties and pit one against the other whenever it is expedient to their aims and manipulate a gullible press and public without any morality, honor, or sense of duty or patriotism.

[onlooker]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', 'T')he military-Industrial establishment including the deep state often uses Russia and the other socialist dictatorships as an excuse for increased military spending which they skim off of. They will switch between parties and pit one against the other whenever it is expedient to their aims and manipulate a gullible press and public without any morality, honor, or sense of duty or patriotism.

[Cog]

Hawaii Emergency Alert Guy: Hold my beer and watch this.

[onlooker]

The Hawaiian alert is a false alarm

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', 'T')he Hawaiian alert is a false alarm

[onlooker]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', 'T')he Hawaiian alert is a false alarm

[Cog]

Democrat state, government worker. I don't know that we need any further explanation.

[evilgenius]

Why do people view a free press writing stories that appeal to a market as servile? Honestly, there is a bias against the press which states that it is the tool of someone's enemy, enemies being interchangeable. Right now, it's some version of the state. It can pitch over to become more pluralistic, corporation controlled. But isn't this just more fearmongering over the status of the wilderness as fear object. People see the socio-economic sphere as chaotic nowadays, and thus it supplants nature as the subject of fear, but all of the same mechanisms apply. Mostly, this kind of talk is people admitting they don't have enough wisdom to deal with what they are afraid of, but do understand that it is important. Just like with nature, they invent all kinds of animistic entities, the Illuminati or deep state, in order to try and understand the chaos. In the process, they reveal their reliance upon intent to show them what is going on.

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('evilgenius', 'W')hy do people view a free press writing stories that appeal to a market as servile? Honestly, there is a bias against the press which states that it is the tool of someone's enemy, enemies being interchangeable. Right now, it's some version of the state. It can pitch over to become more pluralistic, corporation controlled. But isn't this just more fearmongering over the status of the wilderness as fear object. People see the socio-economic sphere as chaotic nowadays, and thus it supplants nature as the subject of fear, but all of the same mechanisms apply. Mostly, this kind of talk is people admitting they don't have enough wisdom to deal with what they are afraid of, but do understand that it is important. Just like with nature, they invent all kinds of animistic entities, the Illuminati or deep state, in order to try and understand the chaos. In the process, they reveal their reliance upon intent to show them what is going on.

[evilgenius]

Maybe America was really just very lucky that it had an enemy like the Soviet Union at the same time as it grew the most? Having that enemy created a central set of agreements. Fear was transferred and kept from becoming fuel for division. The parties couldn't really lay into each other, or the country was at risk. That doesn't hold today, but neither are we growing in the same way.

I think a person has to ask themselves why they reject what they hear in the news. Was it because they didn't think of it first? It doesn't fit with their world view? They've been conditioned to think otherwise? Don't you need proof that something isn't credible when it comes from a trustworthy source? That's kind of the nature of investing trustworthiness in something. You don't have time to research over again everything they report to you, so you give them credit. It means that when they are wrong, for one thing, that they have procedures they go through to examine if their procedures for knowing the truth have gone wrong in some way. And they admit fault. One needs, at least, that much assurance. Towing the party line, however, is an egregious twisting of the concept.

There are reasons why the actual crime rate can be down for some time, and a person interviewed on the street will go on as if it were at an all time high. Those reasons include propaganda and the news, but are much more likely tied to that person's fears. What do you do with the news? Do you allow it to inform you, and see what that knowledge means in relation to what you think you already know, or do you reject what doesn't fit out of hand? Would you ever allow knowledge to change your mind on something as basic as whether you felt conservatism or liberalism was valid? Ah, there's a point. Perhaps wholesale terms like those are too all inclusive. Would you allow a mix of interpretations to take over, which don't bow and scrape to either ideal and were tied to and subject to knowledge? Would you allow the existence of truth that doesn't place you at the center? Do you need truth to herald your group? If so, what do you require that it do with the others?