[AdamB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AdamB', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '
')Oil is for all practical purposes, the only source of oil. There are no oil rigs running today soley off power-plant tranmission electricity.

[AdamB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonoil', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hat is the Minimum EROI that a Sustainable Society Must Have?

[GHung]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AdamB', '.')....

They tried. Gutless wonders like you and shorty either refused, or have already reneged. Such is your confidence in a random number generator, surprisingly it does reveal what you think, rather than just the nonsense you say.

[AdamB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '
')One must rely on Etp's assumptions, math, and conclusions and the integrity of its methods.

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Yoshua', 'S')now

I wrote ENERGY CONTENT not VOLUME. The Etp Model is analyzing Energy not Volume.

The still gas and petroleum coke is burned to refine the crude. Asphalt and lubricants are useful but not energy sources.

If 50% is used and refineries use 35% then refineries use 70% of the energy used by the petroleum industry.

[AdamB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonoil', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') expect based on peer reviewed literature that a reasonable guess for oil URR is 3000 to 4000 Gb

[AdamB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonoil', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hat's when we can expect rapid and major goal post moving, and denials/naming calling for those who challenge him on it.

[AdamB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '
')Etp is a mathematical equation, based fundemental physical law and data supplied by oil companies

[AdamB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rockdoc123', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '.')... and it depends on what the definition of "is" is.

[AdamB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Yoshua', 'T')he economic engine runs on those liquid fuels.

[AdamB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GHung', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AdamB', '.')....

They tried. Gutless wonders like you and shorty either refused, or have already reneged. Such is your confidence in a random number generator, surprisingly it does reveal what you think, rather than just the nonsense you say.

[GHung]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AdamB', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GHung', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AdamB', '.')....

They tried. Gutless wonders like you and shorty either refused, or have already reneged. Such is your confidence in a random number generator, surprisingly it does reveal what you think, rather than just the nonsense you say.

[Yoshua]

True, the economy runs on many different fuel types. Petroleum is perhaps called the master resource since it's used somewhere in production line of all goods and services, even coal, nat gas, nuclear, hydro, wind and solar. Petroleum is used in food production which is our energy source.

If can make a transition from fossil fuels to an electric world that can sustain it self, then fine...but if we can't...well...then you know...doom and gloom...if the Etp Model's energy analysis is correct.

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Yoshua', ' ')
And as the quality of the crude oil goes down the energy intensity goes up.

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '
')What percentage of oil industry energy use is at the refineries is not important considering the low total industry use compared to the energy content of the finished products. 70 percent of five percent is just 3.5%.

[Yoshua]

The refineries in California are processing a lot of heavy oil and they use more energy per bbl to refine it. The energy intensity is higher when heavy oil is processed. As the quality of crude oil goes down, the energy intensity goes up. It takes more energy to extract, pipe and refine heavy oil.

[asg70]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Outcast_Searcher', '
')It's like a child who insists monsters live under their bed, no matter now often and how clearly you show them that there are no monsters there.

[shortonoil]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')alifornia has consistently been the nations 1st, 2nd or 3rd largest oil producer, yet it requires all sorts of upgrading and work and refinery losses. Two-thirds of California crude has a gravity under 20 degrees. In fact, the state's oil fields are estimated to contain more than 40 percent of the country's heavy oil.

[Tanada]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonoil', 'A')lmost all the new oil brought on line over the last 15 years has been heavy, and usually sulfur contaminated; that increases processing energy cost tremendously. Not only has viscosity been declining, but well debt, and water cut have been increasing. The energy to extract energy from petroleum is gong up. If it wasn't we have wound up in the wrong universe! This one has its rules, and they are not negotiable.

[AdamB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonoil', 'T')en years ago it was generally held that oil would be something like $500/ barrel by now. How did that work out? That had to do with the assumption that supply/ demand would always rule. It also had to do with something analogous to attempting to determine ones height by weighting themselves. The difference is that the past zealotry was based on a hypothesis that was never tested, this one has been been very well tested. It is sort of comparing apples and oranges; which is also just following a long time Peak Oil tradition.