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Re: Has Kepler Discovered an Alien Megastructure?

Unread postby vox_mundi » Wed 07 Jun 2017, 12:43:40

New Ideas for the Mysterious Tabby’s Star: a Gigantic Planet or a Planet With Rings

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... Previously, ideas ranged from transiting comets and a consumed planet to alien megastructures. But with the latest studies to be produced on the subject, the light curve of the star has been respectively attributed to the presence of a debris disk and Trojan asteroids in the system and a ring system in the outer Solar System.

The first study, titled “KIC 8462852: Will the Trojans return in 2021?“, was written by a team from the University of Valencia, the Institute of Physics of Cantabria (IFCA) and the Astrophysical Institute of Andalusia (IAA). The paper was recently submitted to the Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society, and presents the argument that the dimming of Tabby’s Star can be explained by the presence of stable debris.

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Led by Fernando J. Ballesteros, the team used data obtained by the Kepler mission to create a model of the system that could account for all the dips in brightness. These include the up to 20% drop that was observed in 2015 and the non-periodic repetitions and asymmetric dips that followed. From this, they determined that a ringed body and Trojan asteroids that share its orbit could explain the first large dip and the subsequent period of dips.

This explanation not only offers an entirely natural account of what could be causing the star to dim, but also offers a prediction that (if true) would confirm their theory. As they state in their paper:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')i] “Whereas most of the scenarios that have already been discussed by other authors invoke the presence of astronomical objects that have never been directly observed, from the comet clouds in Boyajian et al. (2016) to the Dyson sphere in Wright et al. (2016), our model requires the presence of relatively familiar objects, namely a large planet with orbiting rings and a cloud of Trojan asteroids. Moreover, our model allows us to make a definite prediction: the leading Trojan cloud should induce a new period of irregularities in the light curve approximately in 2021.”


Wow! mystery signal from space finally explained

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Back in August of 1977, a team of astronomers studying radio transmissions from an observatory at Ohio State called the "Big Ear" recorded an unusual 72-second signal—it was so strong that team member Jerry Ehman scrawled "Wow!" next to the readout. Since that time, numerous scientists have searched for an explanation of the signal, but until now, no one could offer a valid argument.

The explanation started to come into focus last year when a team at the CPS suggested that the signal might have come from a hydrogen cloud accompanying a comet—additionally, the movement of the comet would explain why the signal was not seen again. The team noted that two comets had been in the same part of the sky that the Big Ear was monitoring on the fateful day. Those comets, P/2008 Y2(Gibbs) and 266/P Christensen had not yet been discovered. The team then got a chance to test their idea as the two comets appeared once again in the night sky from November 2016 through February of 2017.

The team reports that radio signals from 266/P Christensen matched those from the Wow! signal 40 years ago. To verify their results, they tested readings from three other comets, as well, and found similar results. The researchers acknowledge that they cannot say with certainty that the Wow! signal was generated by 266/P Christensen, but they can say with relative assurance that it was generated by a comet.
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Re: Has Kepler Discovered an Alien Megastructure?

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Wed 07 Jun 2017, 13:19:43

Fascinating. Thanks Vox for the ongoing posts keeping up with this interesting astronomy story.

As great as science is, it really stumbles around for awhile trying to narrow things down to what looks like a realistic theory. Astronomy, IMO, is a great example of this. Just look how consistently wrong theories about various objects in our solar system, and even the basic construction of our solar system (Kuiper belt, Oort cloud, extent of the solar system) have been and how radically all that has changed in recent decades, thanks to modern telescopes. Or how wildly wrong expectations for the nature and behavior of the atmospheres of the outer moons have been, until various NASA probes were able to take a much better look.

To me, this shows why intuition of people is so utterly inferior to science and patience in trying to evaluate long term phenomena we don't understand. (Intuition is pretty good for short term things -- like flinching at sudden movement). Whether it's the assumption something we can't (yet) explain is likely evidence of aliens in a universe where aliens are (apparently) relatively rare, or the assumption AGW isn't possible because the earth is big and the climate changed in the past, science is truly a fantastic tool for better understanding the world we live in -- imperfect as it is.

If we want to prosper as a race, we need to learn to listen to the lessons of science, and the sooner the better.
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Re: Has Kepler Discovered an Alien Megastructure?

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Wed 07 Jun 2017, 13:54:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'A')nd who would the first, most advanced, life form be? God?


Any sufficiently advanced technology appears to be magic to the less advanced viewer. Does the average teen understand anything about the iPhone they are glued too, or is it just a wonder box from the gods at Apple?

Great point, Tanada.

I keep up with one of my friends, also retired from IBM, who spent about 10 of her career years with me doing things like digging around in the bowels of thousand-plus page IBM mainframe core dumps from DB2 software issues. (Our expertise is narrow, but we really understood a lot about that specific technology in those days).

I keep making sarcastic comments about my understanding of modern technology (i.e. the first time I couldn't answer an I-phone my sister had handed me when it rang, because I was COMPLETELY clueless about the interface the first time I saw it). She keeps reminding me that the kids are no doubt experts about many INTERFACES of modern gizmos, tweaking the settings, etc (without even reading the documentation, while I scratch my head and scowl at the thing). But it's highly unlikely they have much meaningful knowledge of the details of the actual technology -- even to the extent we might, just from extrapolating our computer science background.

Maybe success is mostly about attitude. Young people want to get in and PLAY with the "wonderbox", whatever form the wonderbox du jour might be. I still remember the feeling of excitement I had for the first few years around computers after I discovered them. Things like figuring out a crude sort algorithm on my own for the first time, or watching my first chess program actually play the game (if stupidly at first) when I first cranked it up were among the most satisfying experiences in my life. Of course, back then, I didn't mind working 20 hour days on the technology and sleeping on a table a few hours a night in the computer lab to get more done -- I just didn't appreciate how awesome nearly perfect health was as far as getting lots of work done while I had it.

I still hope we have enough bright young energetic folks who actually get a good education and want to do "cool" things to keep solving the problems of the day as we continue to create more with BAU growth. Without that, I see humanity's chances of survival over time (say the next thousand years or so) at zero, instead of merely frighteningly narrow.
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Re: Has Kepler Discovered an Alien Megastructure?

Unread postby vox_mundi » Thu 02 Nov 2017, 15:17:41

Cosmic Rays Reveal Mysterious Void in Egypt’s Great Pyramid

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A 3-D rendition of the Great Pyramid, showing the location of the void as a cluster of white dots.

... The 455-foot-tall Great Pyramid, or Khufu’s Pyramid, is the last of the Seven Wonders of the Ancient World still standing. The newly discovered void is nearly 100 feet long. The cavity is above and similar in size to the Grand Gallery, a passage through the pyramid's belly that leads to the King's Chamber.

The mission to probe the pyramids of Giza, named ScanPyramids, began in 2015. It is a joint program between Cairo University and the French nonprofit HIP Institute, with guidance from the Egyptian Ministry of Antiquities. In the new discovery, which the journal Nature published Thursday, scientists from those institutions teamed up with Japanese physicists and brought three types of muon detectors to examine the Great Pyramid.

Independent teams were assigned to each of the three muon detectors arrayed around the Great Pyramid. “We came to the conclusion that all of the teams have been able to detect this,” Mehdi Tayoubi, president of the HIP Institute, told reporters on Wednesday. Applying particle physics to archaeology requires a certain level of technical sophistication. “Indiana Jones wouldn't be doing muon tomography,” Schwitters said.

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This structure is not accessible,” Tayoubi said. “This void was hidden, I think, during the construction of the pyramid.

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Relax! It's just the Stargate.
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Re: Has Kepler Discovered an Alien Megastructure?

Unread postby vox_mundi » Mon 11 Dec 2017, 13:29:27

Astronomers to Check Mysterious Interstellar Object for Signs of Technology

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The email about “a most peculiar object” in the solar system arrived in Yuri Milner’s inbox last week.

Milner, the Russian billionaire behind Breakthrough Listen, a $100 million search for intelligent extraterrestrial life, had already heard about the peculiar object.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]“The more I study this object, the more unusual it appears, making me wonder whether it might be an artificially made probe which was sent by an alien civilization,” Avi Loeb, the chair of Harvard’s astronomy department and one of Milner’s advisers on Breakthrough Listen, wrote in the email to Milner.

A day later, Milner’s assistant summoned Loeb to Milner’s home in Palo Alto. They met there this past Saturday to talk about ‘Oumuamua, a Hawaiian word for “messenger.” Loeb ran through the space rock’s peculiarities, particularly its elongated shape, like a cigar or needle—an odd shape for a common space rock, but ideal for a ship cruising through interstellar space.

For Milner, the object was becoming too intriguing to ignore. So he’s decided to take a closer look.

Breakthrough Listen announced Monday that the program will start checking ‘Oumuamua this week for signs of radio signals using the Green Bank Telescope in West Virginia. The interstellar asteroid is now about twice the distance between the Earth and the sun from our planet, moving at a brisk clip of 38.3 kilometers per second. At this close distance, Green Bank can detect the faintest frequencies. It would take the telescope less than a minute to pick up something as faint as the radio waves from a cellphone. If ‘Oumuamua is sending signals, we’ll hear them.

The chance of an alien detection is, as always, small. But it’s not zero. And Milner thinks we should check—just in case—before ‘Oumuamua is gone for good. The object will pass the orbit of Jupiter next year, and by the 2020s will be hurtling beyond Pluto.

“Whether it’s artificial or not, we will definitely know more about this object,” Milner told me, in a video interview last week.

Unlike the lumpy, potato-shaped asteroids of our solar system, the 400-meter-long ‘Oumuamua is perhaps 10 times as long as it is wide, an extreme aspect ratio that trumps any of the known asteroids. Astronomers don’t know how the universe could have produced an object such as this. Most natural interactions between an object and its surrounding medium favor the creation of rounded objects, Loeb said, like pebbles on a lakeshore made smooth by lapping water.

Further observations of ‘Oumuamua revealed it carried no traces of water ice, which suggests the asteroid is made of rock or perhaps metal. Whatever it is, the material is certainly sturdy. ‘Oumuamua rotates about every seven hours, a rate that would likely cause some rocky objects, nicknamed “rubble piles,” to crumble. ‘Oumuamua even survived a close pass with the sun in September, before it was detected, without breaking apart.

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When they speak of ‘Oumuamua, astronomers recall the tale in Arthur C. Clarke’s 1973 novel Rendezvous with Rama. The year is 2131, and astronomers have detected a mysterious object beyond the orbit of Jupiter and classified it as an asteroid. Their observations reveal the object, named Rama, doesn’t follow the orbit of the sun and must have come from outside the solar system. They send a space probe to photograph Rama and find it’s in the shape of a perfect cylinder. A crewed mission is dispatched. When they land, humans discover the asteroid is an alien spaceship, carrying odd, machinelike beings that pay them little attention. There are no signs of the alien civilization that made them. After some tinkering, the human crew disembarks, leaving Rama to speed out of the solar system.

The story shares some tantalizing similarities with the current circumstances.


NASA Hosts Media Teleconference to Announce Latest Kepler Discovery

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Nasa has just found something major in space

It has said only that it will brief the press on Thursday and that the discovery has been made by the Kepler space telescope. It also said that Google AI has been involved in the breakthrough discovery.

But beyond that it said very little. Still, some clues give us a little insight into what the major announcement might be about to actually reveal.

... Nasa has said that it has found something new, hosting an event "to announce the latest discovery made by its planet-hunting Kepler space telescope". The telescope finds a lot of things – but very few so interesting that they deserve their own event.
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Re: Has Kepler Discovered an Alien Megastructure?

Unread postby Cog » Mon 11 Dec 2017, 13:46:15

For some of you this is a bitter truth. There is no one out there. We are it. The only sentient life form in the universe.
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Re: Has Kepler Discovered an Alien Megastructure?

Unread postby Newfie » Mon 11 Dec 2017, 15:07:06

A That’s an opinion, plain and simple, you can’t prove that.
B I guess it means you are an atheist.
C Im not so sure there is sentient life here on Earth.

PS. Sentient is probably not what you meant, I answered in kind. My Wife made me look it up. 8O
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Re: Has Kepler Discovered an Alien Megastructure?

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Mon 11 Dec 2017, 17:38:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'F')or some of you this is a bitter truth. There is no one out there. We are it. The only sentient life form in the universe.

Well, I'm sure that belief makes some of us feel important (including those who would rather thump Bibles than do the hard work of real science).

Just because it isn't as common as dirt doesn't mean intelligent life doesn't exist. What have we taken a close look at? Our solar system. One in roughly 100 billion stars in our galaxy. One galaxy in roughly 100 billion. That we know about today. Given that we thought there was ONE galaxy 100ish years ago, don't be surprised if that number grows substantially.

https://www.space.com/25303-how-many-ga ... verse.html

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')All in all, Hubble reveals an estimated 100 billion galaxies in the universe or so, but this number is likely to increase to about 200 billion as telescope technology in space improves, Livio said.


How Many Stars Are in the Milky Way?

https://www.space.com/25959-how-many-st ... y-way.html

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')The number of stars is approximately …

So is there any way to figure out how many stars are for sure? In the end, it comes down to an estimate. In one calculation, the Milky Way has a mass of about 100 billion solar masses, so it is easiest to translate that to 100 billion stars. This accounts for the stars that would be bigger or smaller than our sun, and averages them out. Other mass estimates bring the number up to 400 billion.


Or, to state the obvious: 1X10**22 is a very big number. One, not so much.
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Re: Has Kepler Discovered an Alien Megastructure?

Unread postby Newfie » Mon 11 Dec 2017, 19:38:48

From the Sounds of this site this is more incremental news than any shocking new discovery.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.space. ... ement.html

There have been other similar news conferences just this year.
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Re: Has Kepler Discovered an Alien Megastructure?

Unread postby onlooker » Mon 11 Dec 2017, 19:59:45

I am with Outcast, seems far fetched that in such a vast cosmos, we are the only intelligence
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Re: Has Kepler Discovered an Alien Megastructure?

Unread postby jedrider » Mon 11 Dec 2017, 20:12:21

Earthlings will be on the verge of launching an interplanetary mission that could help our civilization become interstellar.

However, Republicans and Democrats CANNOT agree on anything and the mission is scuttled!
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Re: Has Kepler Discovered an Alien Megastructure?

Unread postby onlooker » Mon 11 Dec 2017, 20:16:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jedrider', 'E')arthlings will be on the verge of launching an interplanetary mission that could help our civilization become interstellar.

However, Republicans and Democrats CANNOT agree on anything and the mission is scuttled!

:lol: :P 8O
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Re: Has Kepler Discovered an Alien Megastructure?

Unread postby vox_mundi » Thu 14 Dec 2017, 15:43:33

No Alien 'Signals' From Cigar-Shaped Asteroid: Researchers

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]"No such signals have been detected" by its network of telescopes, the project said Thursday, adding: "the analysis is not yet complete".

Oumuamua is a Hawaiian name meaning "messenger" or "scout". This scout may have been travelling through space for hundreds of millions, even billions, of years.

The rock is thought to be about 400 metres (1,300 feet) long, and thin—only about 40 m wide, a never-before-seen shape for an asteroid.

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Discovery of New Planet Reveals Distant Solar System to Rival Our Own

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Re: Has Kepler Discovered an Alien Megastructure?

Unread postby Plantagenet » Thu 14 Dec 2017, 17:31:45

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Oumuamua certainly is an interesting object.

1. It is the first known object to visit our solar system from a distant solar system elsewhere in space.

2. Its shape is very unusual----there is no object in our entire solar system with such a shape.

3. It must be made of rock or metal, since no plume developed when it went by the sun.

4. And finally, there is no explanation for how it might have been ejected or shot into space, since all objects in a solar system ---even an alien solar system----would be trapped by the stars gravitational pull. There is no known natural mechanism for ejecting objects out into interstellar space.

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Re: Has Kepler Discovered an Alien Megastructure?

Unread postby onlooker » Fri 15 Dec 2017, 09:44:35

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asteroid
Yes, asteroids are mainly composed of mineral and rock.
And so, the scientists are classifying it as an Asteroid
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_an ... alien.html
So far, no tangible signs of it being an artificially created object.
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Re: Has Kepler Discovered an Alien Megastructure?

Unread postby Cog » Fri 15 Dec 2017, 09:52:48

There isn't anyone out there folks.
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Re: Has Kepler Discovered an Alien Megastructure?

Unread postby Newfie » Fri 15 Dec 2017, 12:44:36

Proof, where is the proof?
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Re: Has Kepler Discovered an Alien Megastructure?

Unread postby onlooker » Fri 15 Dec 2017, 12:53:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'P')roof, where is the proof?

We don't have it one way or the other. So, like the question of God, it boils down to peoples preferences.
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Re: Has Kepler Discovered an Alien Megastructure?

Unread postby Cog » Fri 15 Dec 2017, 13:35:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'P')roof, where is the proof?


Carl Sagan used to say "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"

I can not prove a negative Newfie. Can you prove you don't beat your wife?

Show me the evidence of alien intelligence anywhere in the universe and I'll jump on board and bow down to our alien overlords. In the absence of positive evidence of them, my claim is as valid, if not more, than your own.

The claim is that because the universe is big and there are so many stars and planets orbiting them, that intelligent life must exist elsewhere. Why must it exist? Because you want it to? LOL
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