[Cog]

You failed to mention that orthomolecular is more of a diet supplement scam then real science. Its a belief system that vitamins and supplements are necessary to health. The reverse is actually true. Diet supplements send 23,000 people a year to the emergency room according to the New England Journal of Medicine.

Believe in the guys at your peril. Orthomolecular "science" is at best quackery.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to- ... dbfcfe97b8

[Newfie]

Well that would be a good study (hot dog) for the EPA to take on and replicate. If verified then the cost of reduced childhood brain tumors would make the cost of the study well worth while. The FDA could do it itself, hire it out, or do a meta study of existing previous work.

[Subjectivist]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('longpig', 'T')he article was based on a study, i did look at the reference. It was hotdogs that was singled out as causing disease (along with low vitamin intake). Obviously being poor would have an effect on health but I doubt a poor child has 10 times as much risk of developing leukemia than a child who is well off. Tanada, if you want to believe that only poor people eat hotdogs and that poor people live in cheap housing down wind from factories don't visit doctors claiming the latter is the cause for poor health i disagree, hotdogs was singled out in the study and assumed cause was the nitrites and nitrosamines.

"The association between cured and broiled meat consumption by the mother during pregnancy and by the child was examined in relation to childhood cancer. Five meat groups (ham, bacon, or sausage; hot dogs; hamburgers; bologna, pastrami, corned beef, salami, or lunch meat; charcoal broiled foods) were assessed. Exposures among 234 cancer cases (including 56 acute lymphocytic leukemia [ALL], 45 brain tumor) and 206 controls selected by random-digit dialing in the Denver, Colorado (United States) standard metropolitan statistical area were compared, with adjustment for confounders. Maternal hot-dog consumption of one or more times per week was associated with childhood brain tumors (odds ratio [OR] = 2.3, 95 percent confidence interval [CI] = 1.0-5.4). Among children, eating hamburgers one or more times per week was associated with risk of ALL (OR = 2.0, CI = 0.9-4.6) and eating hot dogs one or more times per week was associated with brain tumors (OR = 2.1, CI = 0.7-6.1). Among children, the combination of no vitamins and eating meats was associated more strongly with both ALL and brain cancer than either no vitamins or meat consumption alone, producing ORs of two to seven. The results linking hot dogs and brain tumors (replicating an earlier study) and the apparent synergism between no vitamins and meat consumption suggest a possible adverse effect of dietary nitrites and nitrosamines."

[Newfie]

Interesting light weight bit from BBC.

http://www.bbc.com/future/story/2017061 ... -meat-free

[jedrider]

I saw vitamin B12 mentioned and we have had quite a lot of commotion over B12 levels in our family lately.

I like what this article says about it:

The B12 Issue
http://www.vibrancyuk.com/B12.html

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')any people say that the only foods which contain vitamin B12 are animal-derived foods. This also is untrue. No foods naturally contain vitamin B12 - neither animal or plant foods. Vitamin B12 is a microbe - a bacteria - it is produced by microorganisms. Vitamin B12 is the only vitamin that contains a trace element - cobalt - which gives this vitamin its chemical name - cobalamin - which is at the centre of its molecular structure. Humans and all vertebrates require cobalt, although it is assimilated only in the form of vitamin B12.