[eastbay]

If there are no differences between 'members of different races', why are most African countries basket cases and most western countries more or less functional?

YOU'RE the cause of this situation. It's YOUR fault and it's YOUR responsibility to fix this situation. Get it now??

[Phil]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergySpin', 'I')s response to blood pressure medication a behavioural trend?
"It has uncovered differences in response to medications; in fact here in the States the medical profession became involved in a lengthy argument on labeling a medication as for African Americans only. This has been the only real outcome of "racial" pharmacogenomics as applied to race"
And it was so widely debated that it is not even funny any more.
The vast majority of physicians deplore this "marketing propaganda"

[Phil]

I wish to propose for the reader's favourable consideration an article which may, I fear, appear wildly paradoxical and subversive. The article in question is this: Don't Write Off the Liberals

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') am a liberal. I am also a white woman committed to my race and civilization. I am in favor of much of what is called "big government," I think the Second Amendment is an anachronism, and I have been reading American Renaissance for more than five years. This may appear to be a shocking contradiction but, as I will show, it is not. Nor am I alone in my views. Admittedly, there are not very many of us liberals-cum-racial nationalists, but I predict there will be more. The white consciousness movement needs friends – from across the political spectrum – if it is to succeed, and it should not structure itself in a way that discourages potential allies needlessly.

[Doly]

This only serves to prove that one doesn't have to agree with political ideas in whole bunches, in spite of the careful education that we've all received from governments that there's only a very limited number of parties (in many countries, only two), which restricts enormously our capacity for political choice.

My political ideas include some that are considered "conservative", some that are considered "liberal", some that are very middle-of-the-road and some that are considered very "radical". There's no political party with an agenda that comes even close to mine, and logically I don't vote. And to be honest, I believe that only sheeple find their political ideas fit with those of any party.

[I_Like_Plants]

Meanwhile every US college and even high school has it's Hispanic Club - woops La Raza (The Race) club, Asian club, black club of course, etc. Starbuck's has a rack of the CD's they play for sale, and one of the black jazz musicians they prominently feature is famous for saying that if he knew he had five minutes to live, he'd like to spend them strangling a white man. Said jazz musician grew up middle-class, better off than most whites.

Now, let's talk about our fellow environmentalists, greens, etc. Most realize that humans are not ideals, and realize that humans obey genetic laws, and tend to prefer their own family, then clan, then tribe, then race. Some may have actually read Richard Dawkins on this.

Literary luminaries like Mark Twain, Henry Miller, and so on, when you read their stuff, turn out to be out-and-out racists.

Where I grew up thinking in terms of race is a fact of life, your race determines your livelihood, where you live, whether you live in fear and caution (the more white you are the more dangerous it is) and so on. Whole occupations and living places are forbidden to those of the wrong race. I myself belong to a race with less rights - and this is written into law - than any other in the US. It is written into law how much college help I may get (the bare minimum) and with what priority I may be hired or promoted (lowest).

Everyone applauds when Blacks want to set up their own schools, neighborhoods, school curriculum, version of history, etc. But dare to say that you're white and you simply want to live where you're not prey, and everyone freaks out.

The BNP right now is, from everything I've heard, by and large a collection of buffoons. Living is so good now, here and in England, and the struggle for survival so attenuated, that it could hardly be otherwise.

As we pass the Peak and the standard of living goes down everywhere, the old struggles that created different genetic races in the first place will be reasserted. Talented, capable, energetic people will find themselves out of work and frustrated, just like with the NSDAP in Germany in the 1930s, the original smalltimers and buffoons will be replaced with hardened, resolved, people. The BNP will be a force to be reckoned with.

In the US it's official doctrine with the Republican Party that peak oil is NOT a fact. That oil will go on and on forever and ever. The Democrats, some of them, acknowledge Peak Oil, and our environmental problems. Trouble is, they're trying to be Republican Lite these days. And, the ones who know Peak Oil is real tend to also think we should all go vegan, and that whites should be punished for ...... being white. How else do you explain affirmative action etc brought to you by white uncle tom democrats?

The BNP is acknowledging Peak Oil, AND daring to talk about the elephent in the living room - that whites are being displaced and preyed upon and singled out for extinction, with government sanction. That's an extremely powerful combination. Some of us want to survive in spite of our white skin AND are big ol' tree huggers.

There's no party in the US to match the BNP .... yet.

[Phil]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', ' ')There's no party in the US to match the BNP .... yet.

[JohnDenver]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', 'A')s we pass the Peak and the standard of living goes down everywhere, the old struggles that created different genetic races in the first place will be reasserted. Talented, capable, energetic people will find themselves out of work and frustrated, just like with the NSDAP in Germany in the 1930s, the original smalltimers and buffoons will be replaced with hardened, resolved, people. The BNP will be a force to be reckoned with.

[Phil]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JohnDenver', 'Y')ah, I'm sure your nazi-inspired Gringo Power party is going to be a real force to reckon with, in California of all places. LOL. Maybe you should move someplace like Idaho where you're not in the minority.

[I_Like_Plants]

Denver ol' boy don't think I haven't thought about it.

The best policy is certainly to get out of southern california, normally a desert, and turn off the lights and the welfare checks.

I'm a native of California and I do think the nondesert parts of it are worth keeping and fighting for.

And, apparently others think so too, www.saveourstate.org

Oh, I read an Edward Abbey book over the weekend, Desert Solitaire, yep he makes comments that would get him attacked by the PC Police now.

Now, let's get back to some of the fine points of the BNP. They state in their strongly worded release that the new age will be one of nationalism not internationalism. That's a very important point. States were originally ethno-states, and will become so again. When you have huge multinational corporations running things, you want people to be as uniform as possible. Deracinated. Interchangeable parts of the machine.

However, international corporations and the governments they run are so clumsy down at the scale of individual humans, that what you end up with is a racial caste system. They say they're setting up a meritocracy, but frankly I think meritocracies scare the hell out of the rulers, that means they and their kids will have to compete with the brightest of the whole population. Much better to make sure they only have to compete with their prep-school buddies. And what better way to ensure no one else threatens them than by taking the smartest kids, generally whites, and setting things up so they have the least opportunities to go to college, get good jobs, etc? This shit is really going on - I have met many, many, many people who are guilty of the sin of being white, and wanted to become dentists or engineers or something. That's very much frowned upon in the US. Instead, import some engineers and doctors etc from some 3rd world cesspool who will have their loyalties, but certainly not to what's continually drummed into them, those evil white people.

These corporations are huge, brutal, machines. They chew up and spit out people, resources, ecosystems.

Now, are the BNP Fascist? Consider the definition of fascism - huge corporations and government united as one, Musso's original Corporatism. No, the BNP are not that, they're Folkish. They dare to say that the British Isles, lands too damp, cold, and sniffly for anyone else over history, ought to be the living space for the British people. Let's see, didn't a thug named Mandela get a Nobel prize or something for saying his land ought to be the home of his people and everyone else get out?

A real Folkish group isn't any more "fascist" in controlling an individual's life than the Amish social structure is in controlling their people. They live under very tight social control, but that's the culture of that Folk. No one goes around calling them "Fascist".

To live again sustainably, we're going to have to have a lot of "Fascist" rules to live by. Signs of greed and individual profit motive will have to be stamped out, like they are in all sustainable societies. The future isn't going to be a libertarian greedfest, or Farnam's Freehold. The future is folkish.

[julianj]

The BNP is a micro party. Of course they are going to try to exploit the situation for their own ends. They are fascists.

But their general competence at doing anything other than beating up a few hapless asian shopkeepers is not that great.

Notice they can't even spell. Perhaps they're not quite the party with the intellectual and technical competence to restore the Uk post-peak.

[venky]

Fascism is not the answer however hopeless the situation might seem.

I dont believe in the end of liberalism (in the classical use of the word). I think its much too ingrained in our society for it to die, barring a total collapse which I think its unlikely.

On the other hand the BNP might make major political gains if there is a recession /depression. I personally think the party should be banned at the first oppurtunity. However cleverly they might fog and obfuscate their true agenda we know that they really are Nazi like in their thinking.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')ere is our warning to you now. Those criminals, traitors, fools and fantasists that delay our rise to power will be treated as criminals when we take power. This Peak Oil situation will destroy our entire Nation and Western Civilisation unless the BNP are allowed to take power. The left and the liberals, the socialists and the environmentalists and the capitalists are all guilty of the same crime - of opposing the one part that can solve tis crisis , the one party that has the Wil and Vision to fight for our future.

[eastbay]

There's no party in the US to match the BNP .... yet.

Have faith dear friend,

When the oil starts to run out EVERY political party will start sounding like the BNP, the only major difference will likely be the races defended...

It's important to rremember that modern liberalism and conservatism both are constructs alien to a world without cheap energy. This entire discussion couldn't even happen post-peak, except among a few scraggly, grey and grizzly survivors who will laughingly mention it over a BAR-B- Q'ed dog while armed guards stand steady and watchful nearby.

This bizaare concept of diverting massive national resources and spiritual love for the alien, offering help for the invaders, and institutionalizing near-worship for the 'outsider' was completely unknown among secular political interests until very recent history. Happily it will all disappear just as quickly as it began as we soon enter the post-peak era. Strangely, the BNP happens to be the only political party that has come to this realization and I applaud them for being the first.

If the CPUSA is the second party to come to this realization I will applaud them too. This era we are soon about to enter transcends petty party squabbles, and ALL political differences will soon appear 'petty'.

[POAN]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('venky', 'I') personally think the party should be banned at the first oppurtunity.

[eastbay]

I find it absolutely outrageous that in this so called ‘free’ country and today’s ‘free’ world, a world in which Tony Blair and his ilk are apparently spreading “Freedom of Speech” and “Democracy” to the rest of it, they are behind our backs taking away our freedom of speech and a fundamental democratic right!

I bet very few British soldiers would have served on Normandy Beach if they knew in advance what was to become of the UK.

[venky]

Those who do not believe in a democracy do not deserve its privleges. Doesn't the BNP aim for a fascist dictatorship?

Look, I dont care about the alleged racism of the BNP; I am not British and I have no intention of coming to the UK. I understand that immigration will cease post peak oil

Infact I was pretty impressed by your Peak Oil site. I new you were far right but and distrusted you on general principles, but I did not feel you deserved the label 'Naz'i. But the statement at new era invester, posted several times on this thread was just insane, no other way to describe it. Perhaps he doesn't speak for the party, but this reads like just out of the Mein Kampf 'We are going to fix you traitor leftwinger when we come to power'. If that is what the BNP thinks, then the chance of them coming to power is one Britain cannot afford to take.

[POAN]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('venky', 'T')hose who do not believe in a democracy do not deserve its privleges. Does the BNP believe in democracy and equality?

Look, I dont care about the alleged racism of the BNP; I am not British and I have no intention of coming to the UK. I understand that immigration will cease post peak oil

Infact I was pretty impressed by your Peak Oil site. I new you were far right but and distrusted you on general principles, but I did not feel you deserved the label 'Naz'i. But the statement by Lee Barnes at new era invester, posted several times on this thread was completely insane. Perhaps he doesn't speak for the party, but this reads like just out of the Mein Kampf 'We are going to fix you traitor leftwinger when we come to power'. If that is what the BNP thinks, then the chance of them coming to power is one Britain cannot afford to take.

[venky]

As I said in the edited version of my post, does the BNP aim for a one-party dictatorship? My argument meant that if that's their aim then they dont deserve the right to free speech under a democracy. I dont claim that the motive of the BNP, I know little about the party apart from what I've read on the website and some of NicK Griffin's interviews.

But on the other hand, I know from the BNP website that they believe that the salvation of Britain depends on their coming to power. That's a dangerous ideological position. Also some of the comments posted by BNP members are extremely disturbing

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')ere is our warning to you now. Those criminals, traitors, fools and fantasists that delay our rise to power will be treated as criminals when we take power. This Peak Oil situation will destroy our entire Nation and Western Civilisation unless the BNP are allowed to take power. The left and the liberals, the socialists and the environmentalists and the capitalists are all guilty of the same crime - of opposing the one party that can solve tis crisis , the one party that has the Will and Vision to fight for our future.

[EnergySpin]

Before we enter this conversation about who is going to be banned or not, I think one should look at the political premises.
Since the American (and the French) revolution it is accepted that any individual is equal to the eyes of the state, has the same rights as any other person (including the right to express his political will by forming parties, participating in the democratic process, voting or being a candidate for a political post).
The basic premise of democracy is equality.
Anyone who says that there are some people more equal than others (as BNP does) is undemocratic. The usual trajectory of such parties (i.e. the Fascists of Mussolini, The Nazi party in Germany, and the Communist party in the USSR after the regime change in 1917) is to either deny the democratic process that brought them to power (i.e. Italy/Germany) or never really host a free election (because the population was not "mature").
Lets examine BNP's position using deductive logic (1st year college stuff)
1) Natural law is the supreme law
2) Equality is not natural
3) Democracy (at least the electoral system we have) is founded on equality
2+3 => Democracy is not natural => Democracy have to go (along with the 'tards')
By acknowledging that not people are equal, you begin a pathway to the abolition of democracy

Abolition of democracy in case BNP won the elections would have been a 2 step process:
A) A declaration of a state of emergency using a real or "facilitated" event leads to temporary postponement of elections, increasing the snooping powers of the police, doing away with constitutional protection
B) Down the road, revoke political rights to individuals who are not equal (i.e. members of other parties, women, people with dark skin complexion, poor people etc)
Then depending on the effectiveness of A over B you can either have
Germany post 1934 which had no elections or USSR/former communist states with a single party elections.
Soo predictable, I'm surprised people don't read their history books any more
Therefore, the BNP is a undemocratic party because it does not uphold the basic premise of democracy, hence it should be closely watched.