[onlooker]

So then what good would it do if the abiotic theory was proven correct, if it does produce economically viable oil?

[peakoilwhen]

none. but you've made a mistake in your rational, can you spot it?

[rockdoc123]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hey have no shame, biotic theory has no test, and cannot be falsified according to them. That this renders it an unscientific theory doesn't matter, for believers of a religion, it MUST be true.

[peakoilwhen]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he test that proves biotic theory has been around for a very long time and is used daily in labs around the world. It is called pyrolysis by which source rock is converted to oil and gas through heating.

[peakoilwhen]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('David Middleton', ' ')The Saturnian moon, Titan, has seas of liquid methane and there is evidence of polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs) in Titan’s atmosphere. "

[peakoilwhen]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('David', 'F')irstly, there is nothing unusual about EI 330’s production curve

[rockdoc123]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')ou make this easy for me rd123. That's such a dumb test, and typical of your sort. If I open the fridge and take out my socks, does that act alone tell you where the socks came from? No. If there was some fungus growing on the socks then biotic geologists would conclude the socks came from the fungus. Cos that's what you do with the oil you find it rocks.

pyrolysis just means 'create by heat \ fire' it isn't a test for biotic oil.

[peakoilwhen]

u mad bro?
U know I don't care about your dumb 'matching' oil signatures biomarker test. I know and accept it links the oil to 2 different rock types, and will logically suggest the upper bedrock sourced its oil from the lower sediment rock. But it doesn't tell you where the lower sediment rock got the oil from or indeed if the sediment rock was deposited with oil.
You are stuck on this, and need to move on.

ahaahaha, I told you you would bang on about methane being extremely hard to convert into long c chains, and try and dismiss abiotic oil from that. Since I'm not a chemist, I accepted what you said the 1st time. But I also predicted you'd remain dead silent on carbon solids being hydrated directly into longer carbon chains, without methane as an intermediate step.
I was right on both counts. I know u better than u know yourself, you telegraph the weaknesses in your beloved biotic theory to me, which I used to work out the correct abiotic theory.

Nvm the fact that longer carbon chains have been produced from methane in the lab.
Here, have another look at what you find so abhorrent :

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote(' Alexander F. Goncharov ', ' ') We show that when methane is exposed to pressures higher than 2 GPa, and to temperatures in the range of 1,000–1,500 K, it partially reacts to form saturated hydrocarbons containing 2–4 carbons (ethane, propane and butane) and molecular hydrogen and graphite. Conversely, exposure of ethane to similar conditions results in the production of methane, suggesting that the synthesis of saturated hydrocarbons is reversible. Our results support the suggestion that hydrocarbons heavier than methane can be produced by abiogenic processes in the upper mantle.

[rockdoc123]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')e show that when methane is exposed to pressures higher than 2 GPa, and to temperatures in the range of 1,000–1,500 K, it partially reacts to form saturated hydrocarbons containing 2–4 carbons (ethane, propane and butane) and

[peakoilwhen]

Hang on, this is little bit of a coincidence...
- i get u enraged about abiotic oil
- i point out thomas gold's work
- u try to undermine him with 'his own drilling fluid is all he found' excuse
- u mention bach ho field to me
- after years of nothing about abiotic oil, WUWT does an article on abiotic oil
- it talks about thomas gold's work being wrong because 'his own drilling fluid is all he found'
- it uses bach ho in vietnam as an e.g.

It is u David. have u tipped off anthony to be ready and waiting with the ban hammer if I show up? Or maybe you are a mod if u can write up stuff there.

[peakoilwhen]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rockdoc123', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')e show that when methane is exposed to pressures higher than 2 GPa, and to temperatures in the range of 1,000–1,500 K, it partially reacts to form saturated hydrocarbons containing 2–4 carbons (ethane, propane and butane) and

[rockdoc123]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')ROGRESS!
So now LPGs can be made in the mantle huh? If the high priest of biotic oil David Middleton admits that, it must be true. We are more than half of the way to abiotic oil. You say its extremely hard to reverse the process of cracking between LPGs and methane. And I believe you. Tell us, compared to c1 to c2-5, is it harder or easier, or about the same to convert LPGs to slightly longer carbons chain rings and trees? hehehe!

[AdamB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('peakoilwhen', '
')with the entire western funding for oil drilling being scarce, you've just stated why no one will drill in Hawaii.

[AdamB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('peakoilwhen', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('David', 'F')irstly, there is nothing unusual about EI 330’s production curve

[peakoilwhen]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AdamB', 'S')o far, no sign of oil at all, economic or otherwise. In part because...as has been pointed out to you...<snicker snicker>...at those temperatures oil gets turned into thermogenic gas...for starters. You know...just like it does everywhere else in the world.....duh.

[Synapsid]

peakoilwhen,

Basalts are very fine-grained rocks and that's what you see in the photo--the rock. You can't see the minerals without a lens or microscope.

Hornblende is not characteristic of basalts anyway.

[Yoshua]

We are experiencing peak oil dynamics today.

Conventional oil peaked in 2005 and reached a plateau. The financial crisis of 2008. The euro crisis of 2011. The extreme credit/debt expansion in China. The central banks QE programs. Trillions of dollars and euros have been printed by central banks. Asset bubbles have been created. The oil industries move into production of unconventional oil. Falling net energy and the collapse of the oil price in 2014. The peak in all liquids in 2015 which now also is on a plateau. The implosion of weaker economies around the world. The collapse of currencies against the petrodollar.

We are living peak oil dynamics today.

[onlooker]

Yes and I would add :
We're in stagflation now. And have been for over 2 years.
And without the debt exponentially rising we would have seen hyperinflation a long time ago.

Everything is hidden behind smokescreens and curtains these days. Everything is manipulated. It's hard to tell where we stand at any given time, but it's quite easy to see the overall trendline.

[Yoshua]

It is almost strange that we still discuss when peak oil comes since we are living peak oil.

I just wonder if we will be able to create a financial system and an economy that can survive a contracting economy ? We would still produce a lot of oil even if production falls to 70 mbpd. And even if the net energy would fall to 25% the economy would still receive net energy from oil.

I still wonder if it would be possible to land the economy gently without causing a total collapse. The problem would just be that 7.4 billion would not survive this contraction. And the oil production and the net energy would continue to fall until they reach zero at some point.

[ROCKMAN]

Y - "...since we are living peak oil." Exactly: dealing every day with the Peal Oil Dynamic...the POD.