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It is actually the majority I am referring to and how the collective can react as a function of this conundrum. Let's just take the last presidential election as an example. Your average Joe does not understand the deeper systemic reasons why his standard of living has stagnated or declined in the past 30 years as he struggles to stay on the rails. He chooses to vote for someone who on one hand he believes will improve his situation while there are unconscious motivations of sabotage at work as well.
The Brexit vote is another example.
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Re: Potential to Go Off the Rails 2017 and Beyond
by sjn » Tue 20 Dec 2016, 13:26:19
Re Brexit the "Average Joe" in my town, Wigan. NW England KNOW EXACTLY why they voted to leave.
Read this, from the New York Times dated July 2016. The house flying the flag of England is just a mile away from mine. I, along with 64% of my fellow residents voted OUT - AND we all know exactly why.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/06/world ... .html?_r=1
As to Trump - I have no idea - he is not yet President (and we Brita are still not out of the EU) !!!
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Gas, have you actually read that nytimes piece? Having just read it, my takeaway is that the choice to vote Brexit was made on the basis of ignorance. Primarily, the idea that "Brussels" is to blame for the policy decisions that led to the decline of opportunity and loss of identity of the "poorer, less-educated Britons", rather than the UK government itself. I guess you must read it differently?
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Re: Potential to Go Off the Rails 2017 and Beyond
by evilgenius » Tue 20 Dec 2016, 14:12:50
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')Add the rise of ultra-nationalism & Islamaphobia in places like Poland, Greece, Italy, Hungary, France, USA etc.
If you want an explanation as to why Trump won, look no further than the "Islam as victim" left wing view in Vox's quote- then note that an Islamic terrorist just ran a truck through Germans at a shopping outlet tonight killing many.
The left simply sees any fear of Muslims as illegitimate despite live "on the ground" actions. Voters noted the denial of reality.
I have lots of British friends. You are so right about this. It's the refusal to listen to anyone who says anything negative. It's like they've made a decision, and they are the government, so whatever anyone else says can't be true. I know that attitude comes from a philosophical position that treats human rights as sacrosanct. They interpret the criticism as an appeal to bargain over rights. What they don't acknowledge is how there is a collision of rights, and they don't have a method for dealing with it. Meanwhile the people watch all kinds of things happen. Pretty soon the benign gets lumped in with the cancerous, and they tell a story of the future that should scare anyone. The people voted for Brexit. They might not have if the government had listened to them rather than distancing itself. But that's an issue in the UK, the distance of the government from the people. It's also an issue in America, although unlike in the UK it's not built into the system. In America the distance is because of the corruption of money in politics. I suppose that's something else to add to the list, whether that will explode as the people's choice to counter it does or doesn't succeed?
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