[Chuckmak]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Chuckmak', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'T')he day the liberals/Democrats finally take away all our gun rights is the day we lose all our civil liberties.
Which is why it confuses the hell out of me why people would even think of checking a D earmarked candidate on the voting card.

[Macsporan]

Specky, PO's favourite loudmouth, is now going to take out an Abrams APC with his trusty rifle and a molotov cocktail!

Hahahaha!

Please, go ahead.

I'll be right behind you, laughing my arse off.


By the way, have you:

Resigned you job and got another one in three days, tops?

Joined the US army and gone to fight for our freedom in the Middle East?

Gone to your local mosque and massacred the worshipers for God and Country?

I didn't think so.

Windbag.

[seldom_seen]

"The tank, the B-52, the fighter-bomber, the state-controlled police and military are the weapons of dictatorship. The rifle is the weapon of democracy. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military. The hired servants of our rulers. Only the government and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws." -- Edward Abbey

[Jdelagado]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'T')he day the liberals/Democrats finally take away all our gun rights is the day we lose all our civil liberties.
Which is why it confuses the hell out of me why people would even think of checking a D earmarked candidate on the voting card.

[Specop_007]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Macsporan', 'S')pecky, PO's favourite loudmouth, is now going to take out an Abrams APC with his trusty rifle and a molotov cocktail!

Hahahaha!

Please, go ahead.

I'll be right behind you, laughing my arse off.


By the way, have you:

Resigned you job and got another one in three days, tops?

Joined the US army and gone to fight for our freedom in the Middle East?

Gone to your local mosque and massacred the worshipers for God and Country?

I didn't think so.

Windbag.

[LadyRuby]

Why don't I just go ahead and make myself a big old target here...C'mon all you Texans, give me your best shot!!!!

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('k_semler', 'I')N 1776, the civillian population had the exact same weaponry as the millitary force they wished to overtrow. The Redcoats had only muskets, cannons, axes, swords, knives, and other primitive weapons. The rebelling forces had access to the exact same weaponry of the time. If you were to compare modern day weapons regulations to the founding fathers, the Redcoats would have had musketss, and the rebelling army would have had only stone axes and spears. This is pretty much the case with the modern firearms laws. It is now to the point that the civilian population only has access to "millitary" firearms that are about 50 years out of date, (legally).

[Jack]

By the same standards, alcoholic beverages, knives, and assorted blunt instruments should not be sold.

Sacrificing fundamental principles of liberty because a subset of the population engages in domestic violence sells our heritage far too cheaply.

[Specop_007]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('LadyRuby', 'W')hy don't I just go ahead and make myself a big old target here...C'mon all you Texans, give me your best shot!!!!

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('k_semler', 'I')N 1776, the civillian population had the exact same weaponry as the millitary force they wished to overtrow. The Redcoats had only muskets, cannons, axes, swords, knives, and other primitive weapons. The rebelling forces had access to the exact same weaponry of the time. If you were to compare modern day weapons regulations to the founding fathers, the Redcoats would have had musketss, and the rebelling army would have had only stone axes and spears. This is pretty much the case with the modern firearms laws. It is now to the point that the civilian population only has access to "millitary" firearms that are about 50 years out of date, (legally).

[SidneyTawl]

from where I'm sitting and looking at the situation.

The government hasn't had to fire ONE SHOT and they have accomplished what they needed to do for most people to not question their govt., say about 95 percent

fear to stand up for their rights

fear that rocking the boat is bad for their families

fear to question the govt's authority

fear to hold the quilty accountable because of the financial implications

fear to speak out if they feel they should dissent, and if they do they remain anonymous out of fear.

fear to join any group or organization that would cast a bad light on their job prospects.

fear not to have that latte each morning

fear not to have a car

fear not to have air conditoning in the summer


Dude the battle seems to be lost before it was one.

There is not much sense of history from the founding Patriots. What it took to give them "their freedom" has no meaning anymore. Its a fireworks show and music. They don't realize what they do has such big consequenses for the future, and they forget that those people in the Revolutionary war fought not just for themselves, they fought for the future, the future was something they thought about. They cared about the future and what this country would become.

Todays "citizen" thinks about only his "future", the country will take care of itself.

and so they give it away and don't realize,.. then its gone,.. getting it back will be a struggle they fear to face and so they relinfquish control of their lives.

THey find it easier to find a reason to say "what can I do, instead of what can I not do to straighten it our.


K, even if the population found the srength and the reasons to actually "go to arms", if you will, then the ability to fight such a battle was lost long long ago. And what weaponry is availble is of little consequence.

When armies went "modern" even back to WW1 with the airplane, the ability to rise up against a govt imo was lost, because the general public couldn't afford to "duplicate" the weaponry of the armies.


BUT

All the people/population have to do is not pay their taxes and only shop for the most necessary of items. Economic weaponry is what the people hold, but they don['t realize. In fact they have been trained to fear even one day without all their luxuries and toys. They fear to lose anything because they don't understand the cost of battle and the fruits of victory.

hardship, for a while maybe, but their was much more hardship for the soldiers and families who fought in 1774 -76.

IMO to bring down any govt. today you can do it by economic means.

What you think it would take,. and how long before the soldiers of the families that were doing this would drop their weapons and stop putting their friends and family in jail.

Getting the people of the United States to do such a thing would be next to impossible unless under the most extreme of cirumstances.

Thinking that the men and woman of the military would continue to fight against their own people for any lenght of time is someting to consider also.

IT takes numbers for change, and I don't see any.

[k_semler]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gg3', 'B')y tyranny we're not talking about the so-far minor applications of the Patriot Act or the Eminent Domain decision

[strider3700]

Well speaking as a canadian I seriously doubt that our low gun related homicide rate has anything to do with gun control, almost everyone I know has a gun of some sort. We just don't want to shoot each other as much as you guys do.

I'd also like to point out that you pro gun guys down south do seem quite crazy, having said that I'm very happy that you exist as I worry far more about your government then you guys.

[k_semler]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Macsporan', ':')
Resigned you job and got another one in three days, tops?

Joined the US army and gone to fight for our freedom in the Middle East?

Gone to your local mosque and massacred the worshipers for God and Country?

[Specop_007]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('strider3700', 'W')ell speaking as a canadian I seriously doubt that our low gun related homicide rate has anything to do with gun control, almost everyone I know has a gun of some sort. We just don't want to shoot each other as much as you guys do.

I'd also like to point out that you pro gun guys down south do seem quite crazy, having said that I'm very happy that you exist as I worry far more about your government then you guys.

[k_semler]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('LadyRuby', 'W')hy don't I just go ahead and make myself a big old target here...C'mon all you Texans, give me your best shot!!!!

Okay, you're right Semler. Damn, give me my nuclear missile!!!

In 2001 terrorists killed almost 3,000 Americans, while during that year there were also about 16,000 homicides in America (similar to 2002). Clearly, we Americans are much better at killing each other.

By comparison, Canada has about 11% of our population and experienced 554 homicides in 2001. Canada has much stricter gun control laws. If we could bring our homicide rate down to the level in Canada, we'd save about 11,000 lives annually.

Go ahead, give me your best shot and tell me what a liberal weenie I am.

[Specop_007]

Like I said K, they fear that which they dont understand.
Take away alcohol?! NO WAY! The Lady Ruby couldnt get loaded with her friends at the bar and have a good time while acting like an irresponsible slut!
But ban guns? Take away what is largely a responsible, mature sport? HAVE to do that! Firearms can KILL YOU!

Its an emotional based argument driven by fear and ignorance. It disgusts me.
Personally, we should do away with the 19th, Womens Sufferage. Lets see how long those Soccer Moms like restricting peoples rights when its THEIR Rights being attacked.

Like I said. Liberals are a poison on our society.

[k_semler]

I say we go one better. We station troops in all homes that have a person who voted for a demoncrap during the last two presidential cycles. Then we impose a law that those homes supporting a soilder are illegal to engage in dissent in any form, and also subject the home to random searces, and random seizures of persons and property. Also suspend the right of minors to vote, (under 21), and suspend Women's right to vote. Any offence against this will be considered aiding and abeting the enemy which is a reason to prosecute for treason. The minimum penalty for treason shall be no less than death by firing squad, (with all riflemen loaded). Aren't you glad I'm not president?

[Specop_007]

k_semler for President!!

[k_semler]

*Campaign promise* Yeah!, (Howard Dean yell), Free beer for all, even if you don't like it! Yeah! (Howard Dean yell again).

[Macsporan]

Gun-toting Nazis engaged in mutual masturbation is not an attractive sight and I wonder what we have all done to deserve so much of it.

For my part I think that, far more than Canada, there should be very strict gun control laws in the US as Americans have shown that they simply can't be trusted with them.

As for these racist slurs that most of the killing is done by Blacks, as they are only 10% of the population this simply does not hold up statistically.

There's a lot more people than Blacks shooting each other in the land of the free.

By the way KS, since the US already has the highest rate of incarceration in the world, just how many more people do you want to imprison? Stalin would be proud of you.

Since these dangerous Blacks should be under no circumstances permitted to have guns I suggest the K Semler and Specop should become gun-control advocates and lead a special police unit and do house to house searches for firearms in Black areas.

While this might not solve the problem it would be nice to give these chaps a chance to put their money where their capacious mouths are, for we know from long experience they are always looking for such opportunities.

It might also, by giving them something to do with their hands, lessen the tirade of cloth-eared bigotry with which we long-suffering POers have had to contend. If our luck's in it might even end it all together, along with their lives, at the hands of some gun-wielding Negro gentleman who is just as passionate about the right to bear arms as they were.

All jokes aside this stuff about guarding people's rights with guns is rather hollow.

Gun ownership has not prevented the Patriot Act taking away a good part of people's rights and laying the foundation for a future Gulag state. Nor has it prevented many of the other enormities detailed below.

To return this thread to a more savoury, not to say constructive, direction I submit the following.

Techniques of progaganda, arising from mass-advertising, have reached the stage where they verge on mind-control.

Consider the last twenty years: the American working people have seen their Unions smashed, their jobs exported, the living standards decline, their job security and conditions eroded, two presidential elections stolen, and a clique of neo-fascist maniacs take over the country without most of them rioting in the streets or even apparently noticing much.

They have even managed to recruit some of the victims of this relentless class-war to foam with hate not against their persecutors, but their fellow victims and those few clear-sighted people who have tried to stop all this.

None of the beinghted cyber-space superheroes, whose Onanist antics have so amused us on this thread, want to go and shoot the Republicans and the Rightist pressure-groups who have done this to them, but the Liberals, the Blacks and the Arabs and any other irrelevant scapegoat that the corporate mass-media has inserted into their dim minds.

There is of course a large element of personal stupidity in this, but a large element of manipulation also. If you can get people to drink poisonous Coca-Cola, buy nutrition-free breakfast cereals, unhealthy snacks and drive uneconomical, unsafe, shoddy cars, then it's not far to go to get them to blame Liberals for the devices of the Conservatives.

Divus et Impera. It's as old as Rome.

So, to my Confederate Degenerate sparring partners here, I say: you've been had, gents. You're on the wrong side in the wrong war.

Micky Mouse is Dead. Your masters want to eat your flesh.

It doesn't matter how many guns you have if you've lost control of your own consciousness.

The first step to liberation should be the destruction of your TV and the opening of books.

I'll be here to help you with the big words.

To those sane and stable people like Ladyruby and others I say, in the words of J RR Tolkien, "awake from fear and put aside the imaginations of Darkness."

[Specop_007]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Macsporan', '
') The first step to liberation should be the destruction of your TV and the opening of books.