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Postby Falconoffury » Mon 11 Jul 2005, 16:28:20

Smiley, it's likely those with families or substantial debts who would work overtime without pay. I wouldn't work any place that didn't pay me overtime pay for every overtime hour unless I was desperate. I don't like to be abused.
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Postby I_Like_Plants » Mon 11 Jul 2005, 17:19:23

There's black poor and white poor.
Black poor get given welfare, food stamps, college "loans" (notice quotation marks) and grants and money thrown at them non-end.
White poor are not even supposed to exist, and if they do, it's "their fault". (Read Jim Goad or Dale Maharidge on this).
Black poor have bigscreen TVs, new sneakers, new clothes, etc etc ec.
White poor often drink well water, if at all possible part of their food comes from hunting (at least I fished as a kid) patch their clothes, and may have an old hand-me-down black and white TV. I've seen a truck with a bunch of white kids, thin as whippets, peering out, and experienced a shock of recognition. It might well have been myself and siblings back in the 70s. White poor are big on gun-ownership because they often have this uneasy underlying feeling that the powers the be, having the stance that they don't exist, are willing to go the next step and make sure they don't exist. They are almost certainly right.
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Postby I_Like_Plants » Mon 11 Jul 2005, 17:47:45

Smiley the US is one step further in its decay, people who want any job beyond a min.wage one typically go jobless for a year or more before they find one. This is people with degrees/advanced degrees like you say. From the sound of it, where you are is where the US was in the 70s, you were screwed if you were working class but the college educated still had it pretty easy.

Really, the way it's going, the only chance at security in life is to have good farming and living off the land skills and a strong tribe.
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Postby emersonbiggins » Mon 11 Jul 2005, 18:43:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', 'T')here's black poor and white poor.
Black poor get given welfare, food stamps, college "loans" (notice quotation marks) and grants and money thrown at them non-end.
White poor are not even supposed to exist, and if they do, it's "their fault". (Read Jim Goad or Dale Maharidge on this).
Black poor have bigscreen TVs, new sneakers, new clothes, etc etc etc.

Unbelievable. Did the "grand wizard" write this himself?
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Postby smiley » Mon 11 Jul 2005, 20:03:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')miley, it's likely those with families or substantial debts who would work overtime without pay. I wouldn't work any place that didn't pay me overtime pay for every overtime hour unless I was desperate. I don't like to be abused.

Debt is indeed a part of it. A lot of companies offer special deals on an ARM. That gets them hooked. They cannot finance their debt without their job and the reduced interest rate so they cannot afford to loose their job.
But ambition and greed is another driving factor.
The worst are the 'traineeships' that are offered by banks, law and consultancy firms. They hire 6 guys for a very basic pay, and they tell them that when they make it to the higher management they will receive those fabulous salaries.
The catch is that only one of the six will make it. The other five will be fired. So you basically have 2 years to outperform the other 'contestants'. You cannot begin to imagine what the atmosphere in such a company is like. People are working 60 hrs a week on the edge of a nervous breakdown.
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Postby PenultimateManStanding » Mon 11 Jul 2005, 20:10:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smiley', 'T')he worst are the 'traineeships' that are offered by banks, law and consultancy firms. They hire 6 guys for a very basic pay, and they tell them that when they make it to the higher management they will receive those fabulous salaries.

The catch is that only one of the six will make it. The other five will be fired. So you basically have 2 years to outperform the other 'contestants'. You cannot begin to imagine what the atmosphere in such a company is like. People are working 60 hrs a week on the edge of a nervous breakdown.
The rat race scenario painted here is so vile. No one in their right minds would want to be a part of such a screwed up job environment. Sadism. :x
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Postby ubercynicmeister » Mon 11 Jul 2005, 20:11:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ubercynicmeister', 'A')nd who uses most Oil in the world?
The United States.
Once again, no-one forced the US to do so. No-one made them, threatened them into doing so
It was all voluntary.

Thats rather a veiled statistic though. I want to see the per barrel per person per mile figure.
I've said it before, I think the reason we use more oil is our country is so much bigger. Hell, America is damned near the size of Europe. If you have more area, you naturally would use more oil.

Rubbish.
China is ABOUT the same size as the US (about).
The United States uses slightly over 22.5 million barrels of oil per day. (1st in use)
China uses slightly over 6.3 million per day. (2nd in use)
Japan uses sliughtly over 4.5 million barrels per day (3rd in the world)
Everyone ELSE comes after that!
US Population: 300 million (rounded up to the nearest 100 million)
22.5 million barrels of oil per day divided by 300 million people = 0.075 barrels per person, per day...and it doens't matter WHAT the use is.

China's population: 1.3 BILLION
6.3 million divided by 1300 million = 4.846153846153846 x 10-03 (0.0004) barrels per day.
0.075 / 0.0004 = 15.47 TIMES as much oil, per person, per day is used in the United States over the Chinese.
Now, China has an economy growing at 9% per annum, average, over the last 20 years. In 2007, the Chinese Economy will be bigger than the US' economy, Peak oil or NO Peak Oil. So much for the "they're less developed than the US"....China will then be MORE developed than the US.
in 2007, the projected Chinese Oil Usage rate is around 10 million barrels of Oil per day.That's under 1/2 the PRESENT usage rate of the US.
In ANY CASE, is anyone FORCING you to use your car? Someone sticks a gun to the side of your head and FORCES you to drive places you don't want to go, once or twice per DAY?
In other countries, that's known as "car jacking". In the US it seems that it's situation Normal.

And you put UP with that?
Why?
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Postby ubercynicmeister » Mon 11 Jul 2005, 20:15:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DriveElectric', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Yamaha_R6', 'W')ouldn't work. There is no point. If things ever got that bad that even with a graduate degree I could only find work flipping burgers I would run for the hills and use savings to stockpile resouces. At that point peak oil is about to destroy everything anyways. Looks like we are nearing that point.

Because you cannot find work that fits your graduate degree, as a result you would run for the hills and decide that Peak Oil is about to destroy everything anyway?
Are you serious? How long of an unemployment period would it take for you to come to that conclusion? 4 weeks? 4 months?

I've been unemployed for 14 years, Drive Electric, and most of my friends have been unemployed for about the same period. The unemployment rate, locally for my age group is (officially, mind you) 31% and rising.
This is BEFORE Peak Oil. It is entirely due to Economic Rationalism and Freemarket Fundamentalism.

Ther ARE no jobs, locally. I recall applying for a job as a siganlman on the railway. There were 3 jobs on offer.
They got 1500 applicants. So they could pick the ones who would be no threat to the idiots who were choosing the people for the job - there was several applicants who HAD been signalmen, and who were STILL QUALIFIED - and they didn't get the jobs!!!!!
One wonders what the selection criteria was.
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Postby DriveElectric » Tue 12 Jul 2005, 00:50:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ubercynicmeister', 'I')'ve been unemployed for 14 years, Drive Electric, and most of my friends have been unemployed for about the same period. The unemployment rate, locally for my age group is (officially, mind you) 31% and rising.
This is BEFORE Peak Oil. It is entirely due to Economic Rationalism and Freemarket Fundamentalism.
Ther ARE no jobs, locally.

If you want a job MOVE to where the work is !!! I cannot imagine not working for 14 years. In fact, at that point I believe the problem is that you do not really want to work. Are you on some sort of government aid that is paying your bills? Does it last forever or does it end at some point?
How the heck do you make ends meet for 14 years with no job? How do you pay for your computer and internet connectivity?

My old job in 2003 paid me $84,000 per year. I lost that job when the company was sold. The only jobs in that area for the same work paid about $60,000 at the time. So in late 2003 I moved about 500 miles to another state and now I make about $92,000 in an area where there were more jobs available. Best decision I ever made. I get offers from recruiters to try to lure me away every month.

I was in a crisis in 2003. Wife was in school, 2 yr old son, I was unemployed for 4 months, mortgage, etc. You do what you have to do to get the job that you need.
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Postby Specop_007 » Tue 12 Jul 2005, 00:57:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ubercynicmeister', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ubercynicmeister', '
')And who uses most Oil in the world?
The United States.
Once again, no-one forced the US to do so. No-one made them, threatened them into doing so.
It was all voluntary.

Thats rather a veiled statistic though. I want to see the per barrel per person per mile figure.
I've said it before, I think the reason we use more oil is our country is so much bigger. Hell, America is damned near the size of Europe. If you have more area, you naturally would use more oil.

Rubbish.
China is ABOUT the same size as the US (about).
The United States uses slightly over 22.5 million barrels of oil per day. (1st in use)
China uses slightly over 6.3 million per day. (2nd in use)
Japan uses sliughtly over 4.5 million barrels per day (3rd in the world)
Everyone ELSE comes after that!
... In ANY CASE, is anyone FORCING you to use your car? Someone sticks a gun to the side of your head and FORCES you to drive places you don't want to go, once or twice per DAY?
In other countries, that's known as "car jacking". In the US it seems that it's situation Normal.
And you put UP with that?
Why?

Good job. No look at the economic factors. Whats the average annual salary of a Chinese person in China vs an American/ Whats the standard of living? Alot of China is still largely undeveloped in the sense that its small villages. Yes, theres exceptions, yes theres highly developed areas. But by and large the standard of living of an American if above that of a Chinese individual.
Thats changing, and I fully expect (assuming no PO) that China would outpace America in petro usage in the next few years. China has had a taste of the "good" life, and they want it. Badly.
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Postby threadbear » Tue 12 Jul 2005, 01:13:49

Specop_007 is 100% right and SidneyTawl is 100% right.
The reason we have high unemployment is that people who have recently been laid off (the IT guy) refuse to do minimum wage work. These causes labor shortatges in the low skill sector and unemployment among the talented.
Sidney believes that a "good job" is a right to be provided by civilization.
Specop_007 believes that "good jobs" don't magically appear and that unemployment is caused by people refusing to work at "bad jobs".
Sidney does not believe that an IT person should have to do a $7 an hour job.
To understand each other's philosophy would mean surrendering one's world view and since humans never engage in such actions (if they can avoid it), this conversation is over. ... quote]
The person who lays down his laptop and enters the migrant farming community is unable to attend interviews, network, gain new skills in a trade, etc... It's a complete and utter waste of a govt. subsidized education.
I'm surprised that raving right wing nut jobs can't see that this would be the worst utilization of public resources. Replacing migrant workers would have the same crazed right wing wringing their hands and despairing of all 'their' wasted tax dollars thrown at educating these shiftless cotten picking tekkies. After the tekkies organized to drive their wages up to subsistence level, the same right wing would want to crack down on their commie union activities.

If feudalism is the answer, why not go all out? Turn the clock back, have a barber do your appendectomy, your wife die in childbirth, and the feudal lord have first dibs on your wife, whenever he has the inclination.
But hey, it's good hard honest work. Blecch



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Postby threadbear » Tue 12 Jul 2005, 01:39:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gary_malcolm', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', 'T')here's black poor and white poor.

You are a racist piece of garbage. Anything that you write must be taken as the word of an abject idiot.

I don't detect anything particularly racist here. Help me out, please. He's making the point that poverty expresses itself differently in different cultures. Who's an abject idiot?
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Postby Specop_007 » Tue 12 Jul 2005, 01:43:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gary_malcolm', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', 'T')here's black poor and white poor.

You are a racist piece of garbage. Anything that you write must be taken as the word of an abject idiot.

I don't detect anything particularly racist here. Help me out, please. He's making the point that poverty expresses itself differently in different cultures. Who's an abject idiot?

Its all about being politically correct.
Which is really the root of the problem. Until we can say what needs to be said and not worry about who we offend we will never be able to properly address the problem and fix it.
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Postby threadbear » Tue 12 Jul 2005, 01:48:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DriveElectric', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ubercynicmeister', '
')I've been unemployed for 14 years, Drive Electric, and most of my friends have been unemployed for about the same period. The unemployment rate, locally for my age group is (officially, mind you) 31% and rising.
This is BEFORE Peak Oil. It is entirely due to Economic Rationalism and Freemarket Fundamentalism.
There ARE no jobs, locally.

My old job in 2003 paid me $84,000 per year. I lost that job when the company was sold. The only jobs in that area for the same work paid about $60,000 at the time. So in late 2003 I moved about 500 miles to another state and now I make about $92,000 in an area where there were more jobs available. Best decision I ever made. I get offers from recruiters to try to lure me away every month.

Drive Electric--A triumph of the human spirit. When you pulled yourself up by the bootstraps did you yank so hard you ended up giving yourself a wedgie so irritating it's impaired your ability to mythologize?
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Postby ubercynicmeister » Wed 13 Jul 2005, 00:58:59

Hi Drive Electric.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DriveElectric', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ubercynicmeister', 'N')O, I did not say that I did not "have work"...I did not HAVE EMPLOYMENT for 14 years. In fact, I am quite busy, as my Mum's Primary Carer, and as a local volunteer in many organisations.

The way you said it implied that you desired employment but could not find it. After reading your post, I am not sure whether you desire it or not, or are just complaining for lack of employment opportunities.

I am NOTING the lack of paying positions, not the lack of work. There's plenty O' work for the person who does not demand any moeny for doing it, I can assure you.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ubercynicmeister', 'I')n fact, at that point I believe the problem is that you do not really want to work.

Ho Ho Ho hee hee, ahh, dear me, once again, you speak without knowing. LOL, Ahhh, I like you, Drive Electric, I really do. [/quote]
You type without saying anything.[/quote]
LOL, you still speak without knowing anything. indeed, i'm beginning to wonder how it is you expect to be able to continue your high-energy-dependant existace after Peak oil, which will almost certainly be Peak Energy, too.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ubercynicmeister', 'A')re you on some sort of government aid that is paying your bills? Does it last forever or does it end at some point?

I said above that I'm on the Pension, Drive Electric.[/quote]
I must have missed that. I only see where you complained of not finding work for 14 years. [/quote]
Scroll back a few pages. You'll find it.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ubercynicmeister', 'L')OL, I have a friend of mine (I think i referred to him above) - he's got a triple doctorate one of which is Applied Maths - can "do" a computer database in minutes. But he can't get work locally.
Move, you say?
To where?
Where can this fellow go, other than clear to another country (ie: India or China) where's there's expanding work in his field?
Work does not have to be in your field of training. Work, if the person really needs work, is whatever will pay the bills.
Why did your friend get a triple doctorate if there are no employment opportunities in his field? Why did he stay in a dead end location instead of taking his degrees to where they could provide employment?[/quote]
OR there were p$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ubercynicmeister', ' ')he was getting his doctorates, yep. Then...they all seemed to dry up...most of the business closed, most of the big industry downsized to the point where they were trying to run a company with a CEO and one records retention clerk.
Didn't work, so the companies went belly-up.
Much like what the airlines are going to do once Oil goes so high that they cannot afford to buy the stuff. (even they admit that one)
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ubercynicmeister', 'I')t's not that he doesn't want to work, he does.
He assists, like I do, at local volunteer organisations.
Or do you despise volunteers, Drive Electric?
How does he pay his bills if he only volunteers? Does he make payments on his student loans, if any?
At one time there WASN'T such a thing as student loans, at least around here. Now, we have a sort of default student loan scheme, but one loans it from the govt. It's called "HECS", and it's been a hex, all right. Most of the smart students rack up as much of a debt as they can then rack off overseas.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')r did he default? Seriously, I want to know how you guys manage to exist on a day to day basis with no income. If it on government aid? Charity? Food for the poor?
All of the above, basically.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ubercynicmeister', 'B')ecause we don't "demand" money for our time & effort that we're to be treated with contempt?
Amazed confusion.[/quote]
Yes, even from THIS far away, I can see that.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')ow do you people exist with no income for your work? Do you garden for food? Beg?
I haven't begged, but i know people who do. Thye're considered by people such as yourself to be vermin. It's interesting that those who have work hate those who don't.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ubercynicmeister', 'B')ut does the idea of "free" offend you THAT much, Drive Electric? The idea that someone like myself can "work" without demanding "pay" for what I do?
The question is, why would you? Do you not have any expenses at all in life? The power bill? rent? anything at all?[/quote]
I, personally (I cannot speak for others) have very low expenses. I live on about US$4,000 per annum. And have done so for 14 years.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ubercynicmeister', 'D')'you think I'm "cheapening the market" or something?
With the total lack of any meaningful information as to how you have manage this charity driven lifestyle, I suspect you are living on government aid. So in effect, people like me (taxpayers) are paying for you. I think you should be cut off from government aid after a certain period of time. [/quote]
OH, don't worry, i'm sure that once enough of us poor people get cut off from govt aid, well, why should we support the system, when it won't support us?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ubercynicmeister', 'I') was in a crisis in 2003. Wife was in school, 2 yr old son, I was unemployed for 4 months, mortgage, etc. You do what you have to do to get the job that you need
YUP, and when Peak Oil really begins to bite, you'll be back in the same situation.[/quote]
Prove it.[/quote]
Ha hee hee ho ho hee hee, ahhh, dear me, drive electric...PROVE it? Why that's simple. Just wait around & do nothing for the next 10 years and I'm sure you'll get there.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')or an unemployed guy who hasn't had meaningful employment in 14 years, where do you come across your 100% certainty as to the future effects of Peak Oil?
I depend on people like Colin Cambell, who points out that almost ALL of our employment is derived from oil-based energy sources. You do know this, don't you?
Matt Savinar points out that Peak oil also equals Peak Employment. That the maximum number of people IN work (ie: gainful employment, if you follow me) will be at it's greatest when we see the Peak. And from that moment onwards unemployment will slowly creep up, higher & higher.
i beleive it was JK Galbraith who pointed out that in the 1930's they ran outta money. There was enough resources, there was enough people & technology to do the work, there was enough demand for products. But they'd run out of money.

After Peak oil we'll run out of something far more fundamental than money - we're gonna start runnin' outta energy. Energy to get the resources. Energy to process the resources. Energy to transport the resources. ebnergy to take oneself off to "other places" if there's the promise of "work" (ie: gainful employment) there.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')r are you one of those bitter types who hates people who have sucess and simply see Peak Oil as an event that will make everyone as miserable as you?
I am a cynic, yes, but i don't wish "bad things" upon others. Though you do. I think that "forewarned is forearmed" and that if we can at leats get some people to actually accept that Peak Energy & Peak Employment is upon us, that we might juuuuuuuuust have a chance of averting this.
Juuuust.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hat attitude appears to be common on PO.com. I suspect that many members are actually similar to you. They have been spectacular failures in life and see PO as a way to get even on everyone who made their life miserable, therefore PO is something to look forward to.
OH, now that's an interesting admission, possibly even a Freudian Slip - "everyone who made their life miserable"? Eh? Hmmm, so you do admit that you have enjoyed keeping others from work (gainful employment), eh? It is known that the Economic Rationalists like yourself want a high unemployemtn to keep inflation under control.
You really do enjoy lording it over others, don't you? You really do beleive that becuase you have currency that it gives you the right to belittle others & stomp on 'em, eh?
Myself? I don't wish to see hurt happen to anyone. I see that it does happen, but I try to "cherish" as much of the good as I can, and reduce to the minimum the awful things that i can - that are in my admittedly non-existant power to do so.
I ain't no saint, I'm just human, and I beleive that's what humans should do.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ubercynicmeister', 'I') sincerely hope you're debt free. I really mean that, no sarcasm, no irony. Because with the new Bankruptcy Laws in the US you are in deep, deep trouble, Drive Electric, if you cannot pay your bills.
I am debt free. But in reality, if I thought that Peak Oil was going to cause a massive crash, I would load up on massive amounts of debt to finance my fortress. Who the hell cares about debt if the world is coming to an end.[/quote]
You will, when the debt collectors decide you're an easy victim.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ubercynicmeister', 'T')here have been confirmed reports here in Australia, of persons who have been told to become PROSTITUTES (by the govt) to get gainful employment.
Do you think you could "stomach" that type of work, Drive Electric?

Sounds like a fucked up country.[/quote]
LOL, not as bad as what the good ole You Ess Of Ay is, I can assure you.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')Why are you staying there? No employment opportunities except as a prostitute? What are you waiting around for? Move to where they are opportunities. I still dont understant why you stay in such a horrible place.
There's a quote from Lord Of the rings: "You would still want to return (to your home) even if it had become a den of dragons"
Why do I stay? Because the conditions are TRANSIENT, firstly. Oh, sure, they'll last for decades. Communissm did, but fell apart thanks to their own version of Peak Oil. When that happens, either I'll be dead, too, in whcih case I'll be beyond caring, OR there will be opportunities, say, to round up the herds of bewildered Yuppies & corral them into the extermination camps.
Don't think that'll happen? Think again - when people get desperate enough to eat anything, they'll even start on humans. And what would you rather eat - a well-fed yuppie, or a scrawny unemployed guy?
Even if the situation falls short of that, and I admit i can only record that it is my HOPE that it will ,but I cannot PROVE it, then ther idea of the "info tech" Yuppie getting gainful employment over those who have learnt, as I have how, to repair ordinary items, using commonly available tools, well the idea that someone is gonna pay a Yuppie to make up a database on a computer no-one has the electricity to run - that's just LAUGHABLE.
That's when the UNEMPLOYEMTN scenario will change.
You'll be the unemployable, and i'll have the work.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ubercynicmeister', 'Y')es, you did use yourself as an example, but that's the problem - you think that because you did it others can do it.
To Quote George Gershwin: $this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')t Ain't Necessarily So!

I still don't see why not. What is preventing you, or your doctorate friend, from moving to where the jobs are? Do you live in a country that prevents freedom of movement? Are you assigned to a certain region and lack the permission to move? What exactly is stopping you?[/quote]
Lack Of Money. How does one get money? By obtaining gainful employment, of which there isn't any. How do you get gainful employment? By moving (or so you say). But how does one afford the transportation? The transportation of the few possessions? HECK, ya gotta have money.
Mind you, once Peak oil happens, there won't BE any transport, so I guess we'll all be on our own devices.
Hope you've got the skills to survive. 'cause I know I do!
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ubercynicmeister', 'B')ut if one approached the business leaders with the ideas, they would want a return of 30% on their investment, in any one year, guarenteed, for 5 years.
It sounds reasonable to me.[/quote]
Yes, it would to you. The object being to screw everyone for as much money as they can be forced to give over. Note: the object of what *I* was proposing was to get people working again. Once THAT happened, the "natural businesses" (which seem to spring up anyway) would take over, and the businesses would be uneeded. Y'see, i'm a sort of "New dealer" - like FDR, I think the govt really DOES have a role in providing that which "free" enterprise finds itself too stupid to do.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')n investor can earn 6% safely with solid bond investments. It is quite standard to avoid risky investments unless they return 20% or more.
Back to the topic though.
The TOPIC is that the unemployment figures are cooked. You have nothing to say about it.
See ya tomorrow.
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Postby threadbear » Wed 13 Jul 2005, 02:00:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DriveElectric', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'S')pecop. Humour. I don't have time to provide a 1-800 number in way of explanation, other than to say Drive Electric's attempt to make a heroic myth out of venturing 500 miles to pursue another job is a bit of a stretch.

You are making an ass of yourself, as usual. The other person was whining that there are no jobs where he lives and he has not worked in 14 years. The obvious solution is to move to where the jobs are. I used myself as an example. Your inferiority complex at being presented with my example is not an attractive personality trait. It comes off as somewhat pathetic actually. Are you pissed off that you cannot find a decent job and you felt the need to strike wildly at me?

Why Drive Electric, I thought you advertised far and wide that you had me on your 'ignore' list. So I guess all I can say is............................................MADE YOU LOOK! And it was so damned easy. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I have to admit, you've seen through me all along, a pathetic waste of skin, yearning to be just like you-- making a big salary, just so I can call myself --a man. A big hairy man with big hairy capitalist ideas, having a big hairy fit about the unemployed.
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Postby DriveElectric » Wed 13 Jul 2005, 09:30:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Doly', 'D')riveElectric, I manage to differ with doomers without generally insulting anybody. I'm sure you could do the same if you tried.

I am not insulting anyone anymore than is typical for this website.
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Postby Zentric » Wed 13 Jul 2005, 15:07:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'T')hank you ZENTRIC, and luckily,--THE DOCTOR IS IN-- and has made a diagnosis. ... The poor soul, hopelessly wedged between fantasy and ego, refers to this degradation of society as "political freedom". Sad. I prescribe humour.

Threadbear: Your diagnosis of "Soul Wedgie" is most profound. If you will allow, may I submit that DriveElectric's constrictedness extends beyond the soul and into the lungs. To demonstrate, try reading any one of his posts longer than a couple of sentences, and you will notice an out-of-breath cadence that, indeed, reveals his soul is suffocating.
I might add that if you ever wish to determine who else on this forum is also so afflicted, just check for this suffocated cadence.
I'm not the doctor, but I do see how humor would be beneficial to DriveElectric - more mirth, more laughter, more oxygen into the body. You're a genius! :)
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