Unemployment lies

by **DriveElectric** » Mon 11 Jul 2005, 03:40:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Yamaha_R6', 'W')ouldn't work. There is no point. If things ever got that bad that even with a graduate degree I could only find work flipping burgers I would run for the hills and use savings to stockpile resouces. At that point peak oil is about to destroy everything anyways. Looks like we are nearing that point.

by **DriveElectric** » Mon 11 Jul 2005, 03:47:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Yamaha_R6', 'B')TW.. i dont consider those kind of "jobs" to be really jobs at all. I define a job as a position in which one can work at in order to make a living. What kind of living can you make at 8 dollars an hour? Here in SD the average house costs 550,000$. The only people who can realistically work at those wages are mexicans and kids. The adults working at Vons are unionized and are making decent money. Of course even those jobs are getting harder to get now.

by **Falconoffury** » Mon 11 Jul 2005, 04:32:09

Spec, you keep saying what you have proven, but you have proven nothing more than you made an assertion without proof. You have no references, and you are oversimplifying the availability of jobs. You can't just say that you have proven that jobs are out there. What region? What city? What district? Some of these places may be highly squeezed for jobs. So your response is that we just move. That costs money, and a lot of people have none.

by **Specop_007** » Mon 11 Jul 2005, 04:49:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Falconoffury', 'S')pec, you keep saying what you have proven, but you have proven nothing more than you made an assertion without proof. You have no references, and you are oversimplifying the availability of jobs. You can't just say that you have proven that jobs are out there. What region? What city? What district? Some of these places may be highly squeezed for jobs. So your response is that we just move. That costs money, and a lot of people have none.

by **Falconoffury** » Mon 11 Jul 2005, 05:24:35

If you're trying to say that there are lots of jobs in the US, then you would be right. Unfortunately, a good chunk of the country's poorest don't have access to every part of the country. It only makes sense that the free market occasionally fails to provide jobs in certain places for certain amounts of time.

by **Specop_007** » Mon 11 Jul 2005, 05:35:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Falconoffury', 'I')f you're trying to say that there are lots of jobs in the US, then you would be right.

by **Yamaha_R6** » Mon 11 Jul 2005, 06:00:01

the issue isnt how many "JOBS" there are, the issue is how many jobs exist in which you can live decently on the wage given in that area.
For example... yes there are many 8$ per hour jobs in San Diego. Unfortunetly that isnt enough money to live here given that the median house is 550,000$. You said I should just move... but that is the problem... the job isnt somewhere else... ITS HERE. In order for ANYONE to take that job, they have to live HERE. Or commute a very long distance, which of course will be impossible given peak oil. So even if they have a million/trillion 8 $ per hour jobs here, does that really mean anything since its going to be impossible for anybody but kids and mexicans to live off it?

You are poor either way, poor if you do work, poor if you dont. Look.... I live in a house worth over a million dollars.... not uncommon AT ALL bere. In fact there are THOUSANDS of cookie-cutter homes in just my area of San Diego that are all worth well over 1 million dollars. A 2000square foot run down old dump in many parts of San Diego can be worth more then a million dollars.
8$ an hour is too insignificant to even bother with. It would make more sense to just sell the house and live very frugally in some cheap part of the country and try to live off the principle of your investments then to try and work at a job paying 8$ per hour. Its just not realistic to expect people in this position to be taking these jobs. People living in this area are college graduates and skilled proffessionals with a lot of money invested, (most probably in their home), it doesnt make sense for them to work as burger flippers, even if its the only job available. Either way they would have to move away and re-structure their lives.

by **Yamaha_R6** » Mon 11 Jul 2005, 06:03:02

And what good would it to them to take these low end jobs when they would have to move away anyways? The issue is that although there may still be jobs in one form or another, there are not as many jobs that pay a livable wage, or many jobs that are geared for proffesionals.

by **Specop_007** » Mon 11 Jul 2005, 06:55:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Yamaha_R6', 't')he issue isnt how many "JOBS" there are, the issue is how many jobs exist in which you can live decently on the wage given in that area. ... 8$ an hour is too insignificant to even bother with. It would make more sense to just sell the house and live very frugally in some cheap part of the country and try to live off the principle of your investments then to try and work at a job paying 8$ per hour. Its just not realistic to expect people in this position to be taking these jobs. People living in this area are college graduates and skilled proffessionals with a lot of money invested, (most probably in their home), it doesnt make sense for them to work as burger flippers, even if its the only job available. Either way they would have to move away and re-structure their lives.

by **mgibbons19** » Mon 11 Jul 2005, 09:31:41

Yamahaman. Sell that million dollar home. In the midwest, nice homes can be 100k. That's 900k in the bank making approx 72k per year interest (at 8% I think). Then you can do whatever the hell you want living on 40, and just keep growing that fund.

The midwest might not be california, but neither is sitting on several hundred thousand in the bank compared to being house poor wage slaves.

by MD » Mon 11 Jul 2005, 09:38:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mgibbons19', 'Y')amahaman. Sell that million dollar home. In the midwest, nice homes can be 100k. That's 900k in the bank making approx 72k per year interest (at 8% I think). Then you can do whatever the hell you want living on 40, and just keep growing that fund.
The midwest might not be california, but neither is sitting on several hundred thousand in the bank compared to being house poor wage slaves.

by **frankthetank** » Mon 11 Jul 2005, 11:08:06

Mgibbons...where the hell are you making 8% interest? I'm pulling 3.15 right now and i think thats decent... :-)

Anyone use their ignore button for certain people? :-D

I'll speak for my area (S WI), but jobs are out there...wages are generally less then 10/hr (noneducated), but if you do have medical background, you shouldn't have much of a problem.

If a person wants a good jobs these days, the only place i see them is with the government. Pension, excellent benefits, excellent pay, etc etc. JOB SECURITY.

by **DriveElectric** » Mon 11 Jul 2005, 11:52:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', '
')If I was jobless in California the FIRST thing I'd do is move the hell out of there. Thats half the problem right there is that the cost of living is so grossly inflated you need to make 20+ an hour just to get by. Hell with that crazy socialist hellhole. Move to someplace reasonable!

by **RiverRat** » Mon 11 Jul 2005, 14:05:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MD', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mgibbons19', 'Y')amahaman. Sell that million dollar home. In the midwest, nice homes can be 100k. That's 900k in the bank making approx 72k per year interest (at 8% I think). Then you can do whatever the hell you want living on 40, and just keep growing that fund.
The midwest might not be california, but neither is sitting on several hundred thousand in the bank compared to being house poor wage slaves.

by **Specop_007** » Mon 11 Jul 2005, 15:18:56

God, if I had a 500k house in Cali I'd sell it, move to the midwest and drop 100k on a nice place and put 400k in investments. I'd putter away at some low wage job making 6 or 8 and hour for 10 years while my investment grew, and end up retired early with a nice lump sum.
Those people in Cali are seriously, truly and honestly out of touch with reality.

by **Specop_007** » Mon 11 Jul 2005, 15:20:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Hawkcreek', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n this country even our "poorest" have cable TV, running water and A/C.

by **Tyler_JC** » Mon 11 Jul 2005, 15:29:44

In the hills of West Virginia...

That's where civilization has progressed since 1900. But, you can buy a beautiful home for around $70,000. I suggest checking it out if you have a million dollar house.

by **smiley** » Mon 11 Jul 2005, 15:49:56

I don't know how it is in the US but I suspect it is the same thing which is happening here.

If you have a good education you're basically all right. There are plenty of jobs. Although you might not find a job which is in line with your education you will find one with relative ease.

It took me a couple of months to land one, but I was looking for a very specialised job within a 10 mile radius of my house, go figure.

However the 'lower' jobs are hard hit by the ongoing transformation to the service economy and the automating of labour. People are actually standing in line for factory jobs. And when they find one they only get a temporary contract for a meagre $9 dollar wage.

These are things which are not showing up in government statistics.

If you have 5 people making $5 and one making $50 you get the same average wage as 5 x $9 and one time $55. This is unfortunately what is happening here.

Another thing that I noticed lately is that people are required to work more for the same pay. Luckily my company doesn't like its employees to work overtime, but there are plenty of companies where they make it very clear that you have to work 50 hours (or more) for a 40 hour wage, or else you're out.

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