[Doly]

Being the daughter of a doctor, I grew up used to the concept that common meds would be easily available whenever I needed them. Now, I find that when I get an infection and need antibiotics I need to get the doctor to prescribe them first, which means that if I happen to get sick in a weekend, I have to wait a day or two. If the course of antibiotics isn't enough, I have to persuade the doctor that I do know what a viral infection is, and that I'm perfectly able to distinguish if something had an effect or not, and all I need is a longer course. This isn't always trivial. I'm used the fact that my basic medical knowledge plus the Internet usually provides a better diagnostic than the doctor. After all, the doctor knows fundamentally the information you've given them in a short chat, while I know all the details of the progression of the disease, and I have given the whole thing normally a lot more thought than a few seconds, which is the average time a GP takes to diagnose.

I still have to suffer from time to time the indignity of being prescribed what I know are the wrong meds. The only way out of this is herbal medicine, and I'm quite upset that even this is going to disappear. Luckily, my knowledge of herbal medicine is extensive enough that I can recognize wild herbs when I see them.

But still, you can't beat the effectivity of some modern meds. I wish I could just buy them without having to deal with doctors.

[sklump]

Y'know, if you had to get a prescription to eat a fast food meal-pellet, ...

[Falconoffury]

Speaking of nutrition for intelligence, my 60 year old mother has been taking high grade coral calcium for the past 2 years. She says that she is thinking more clearly since taking it, and she gets the answers faster when she watches Jeopardy on television. The health effects from this one supplement are impressive.

[MarkR]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Falconoffury', 'M')odern western medicine is the biggest mass scam in history. The healthcare industry would go bankrupt if they really wanted to cure people. They want you to empty your assets to buy their healthcare for some temporary relief, but not a real cure.

[eric_b]

[second posting attempt - earlier post to this thread lost when server was hacked last]

I don't think the supplement ban 'is a good thing'. I'm one of those people that
feels all all drugs should be legal. That would eliminate most of the blackmarket
drug trade and violence (though it may deprive US intelligence agencies of a lucrative
source of funding )

If someone is stoopid enough to OD on vitamins (or a supplement) I consider
it stupid selection at work.

I consume gram quantities of ascorbates daily (vitamin C) and I will not be happy
if vitamin C only becomes available in tiny 60 mg (US RDA) or lower quantities.

Anyway, I don't think ascorbic acid should be classed as a 'vitamin' and I also
feel the US RDA is much too low.

Time to stock up on bulk powdered ascorbic acid

[Falconoffury]

While calcium carbonate is more ionized than many over the counter calcium supplements, the degree of ionization in coral calcium is second to none. Calcium absorbtion is often not even factored into some research. An average japanese person may consume 500 mg of calcium a day, while an average american may consume 1000 mg, but the american may only absorb 50 mg while the Japanese person absorbs it all.

Nutrition deficiency is the best hypothesis for the onset of cancer and heart disease that I have heard, and I admit there is still some debate on the cause of these diseases. Apparantly, something in our environment is causing people to develop these diseases over time. It looks to be likely caused by at least partly by a lack of nutrition.

When it comes to vitamins and plant based nutrients, it would be impossible to give the body all the nutrition it needs by food alone. I wouldn't be able to eat 15 servings of vegetables a day. That is why whole food supplements are so great. They condense the most important nutrients into capsule form.

The FTC and FDA are working so hard to silence these supplements because they work. If they didn't work, people would give up on them and use the standard health care system anyway. They are working so hard because they would lose billions if people were treated with the right supplements and it worked. The ultimate goal of the health care industry is the same as the goal of any corporation: to increase profits. It has nothing to do with helping people.

I know that there are a large number of doctors and scientists that say natural supplements are no treatment for disease, but guess who signs their paychecks? We have what you would call a conflict of interest. These scientists are compelled to rule in favor of the corporations rather than the plain and simple truth.

[gg3]

I'll be the first to suggest that antibiotics be placed on FDA Schedule II, because when they're abused they're a bigger public health risk (endemic MDR bacterial strains) than morphine or cocaine (classic Sched II drugs).

You can't make that arguement for nutritionals, or anything close.

MarkR, I notice you haven't taken me on yet:-). Since you seem to be standing up for regulation, can you find any holes in my arguement....? If so, I'm ready & waiting to reply.

[Specop_007]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gg3', 'I')'ll be the first to suggest that antibiotics be placed on FDA Schedule II, because when they're abused they're a bigger public health risk (endemic MDR bacterial strains) than morphine or cocaine (classic Sched II drugs).

[RonMN]

You can do without vitamin supliments if you eat organic food. Soil that is chemically fertalized only has 3 or 4 nutrients in it, thus the food grown in that soil has the same nutrients.

The body needs many more (and varied) nutrients...this is the speculation of alot of scientists on why America has it's obesity problem. Even though there has been pleanty of food eaten...the body is still screaming for other nutrients, so people eat even more but still don't get what their body needs.

[SidneyTawl]

Well when they finally decide that they should regulate a products amount of

SUGAR,

THEN talk to me about protecting the health of the friggin public.

YEA, no one can overtake a friggin vitamin,

BUT GULP.. CHEW.. SPRAY..DRINK. LICK....SUCK...

ALL THE DAMN SUGAR YOU WISH.

MARK R.

WHAT YOUR STAND ON THE GOV AND SUGAR INTAKE.

Oh yea, can't do that. its the staple of every food processor in the US. It s in practically everything and in some things quantites that can't be healthy.

BUT oooo noooo we can't INFINGE ON THE RIGHTS OF THE CONSUMER is their cry then.


Regulation it seems to me is only done when it suits the business needs, saying that this protects the publics health is friggin absurd when compared to t he other chemicals in our food.


Mudhead:
'hey, Porgie, unh uh unh hu, were's your School spirit

Porgie:
under the rumble seat Mudhead, were it always is,

THEY NEVER COME UP INTO THE HILLS.

[shakespear1]

How about those horrible home "air fresheners" that plug into the wall. Make you house smell like lilies of the valley (death).

[Falconoffury]

There was something I forgot to mention in my last reply. Some coral calcium are scams, but not all. On the island of Okinawa, the beach sands are basically coral, but the closer to dry land you go, the lower the quality of the coral minerals. The above sea sands are generally of very low quality. They have lost their trace minerals, magnesium and most of their ionization. The corals sands under the ocean, near the coral are of very high quality, retaining most of the ionization and trace minerals. Ionized coral is like living minerals.

There is a lot of momentum against coral calcium these days, but I haven't been sick in 4 years due to sea veg and coral calcium. I recommend any naysayers to try it, or give it to a sick or elderly relative. You just have to give the body what it needs, and the body can handle the rest. We will still die, but I don't think we were all meant to die from clogged arteries or cancer. I think we were supposed to die of plain old... old age.

In effect, I think some laws should be enacted to weed out the true scammers, but there are so many good supplements, and I fear that the Codex standards will destroy that.

[BabyPeanut]

http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=815922005
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'E')U laws on sale of vitamins 'valid'
Tuesday, 12th July 2005 9:46am (UK)
Controversial new European laws which could outlaw thousands of vitamin and mineral supplements were upheld by European Court judgesy.

The European Court of Justice rejected British health food industry claims that the proposed Food Supplements Directive, coming into force on August 1, breaches EU rules.

The surprise decision goes against an opinion delivered by the same court's advocate-general in April, advising that the rules should be scrapped because they contravene basic EU principles of "legal protection, legal certainty and sound administration".

[Graeme]

Vitamin C: possible cancer-killing promise
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')tudies during the 1970s first suggested administration of high doses of ascorbate might provide a clinical benefit for treating cancer, but later studies using the same high doses found no benefit.

However, researchers now say the original studies used intravenous and oral ascorbate, while subsequent studies used only oral administration.

[Specop_007]

Lets say you have 2 people who are roughly the same. Same health, age, job, hobbies etc.
Lets say 1 person goes on a diet that involves 200 calories a day but 100% of all recommended vitamins and minerals. The other person goes on a diet of 2000 calories a day but is getting 25% of recommended vitamins and minerals.
Who will begin to suffer first? Over the long term, who will suffer more?

Does the body need raw calories or vitamins/minerals more to continue in a day to day manner?

[PenultimateManStanding]

I have no expertise in this, but I have noticed that whenever I take my vitamin supplement (MegaMen from GNC with prostate herbs) that my appetite increases. Plus, my urine turns bright yellow. I remember hearing a professor say that vitamin tablets don't get digested because they are too hard. That's definately not true with the ones I take.

[basil_hayden]

200 calorie/100% vita man suffers first, by lunchtime! And won't make it a month on this diet, no fuel.
2000 calorie/25% vita man is half the average American calorie intake, so I'd guess that's perfectly healthy. Probably make it to 90 barring any specific disease, like osteoporosis or something.
logic tells me Calories have to come first, or there's no energy source to use the V&Ms. We'll see what the MDs say.

[Vexed]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'L')ets say you have 2 people who are roughly the same. Same health, age, job, hobbies etc.
Lets say 1 person goes on a diet that involves 200 calories a day but 100% of all recommended vitamins and minerals. The other person goes on a diet of 2000 calories a day but is getting 25% of recommended vitamins and minerals.
Who will begin to suffer first? Over the long term, who will suffer more?

[Vexed]

One last thought: If your ancestors, see 500+ years ago weren't doing it, and you decide to do it, like eating transfat and/or high sugar foods everyday or not exercising everyday, you are likely going against the grain of your very evolution. Were our ancestors taking vitamins? Nope, and contrary to popular belief, once they made it out of childhood, their lifespans were very similiar to modern man, just without the massive incidence of heart disease and cancer.

We are what we eat. And these days what we eat is killing us.

[holmes]

My upper intestines were damaged when I was poisoined by mercury. Minerals and vitamins are the most important of all. They aid in everything.
My body was basically dpeleted of all minerals.
and I was on my death bed and I was dieing and was confused from mercury brain.
something had to be done.
only colloidal minerals are digested and utilized by the body. Non colloidal minerals pass right through.
read up on colloidal minerals. They have hlped heal my UI and all body functions and synapse functions require colloidal minerals.
Eat a raw diet as well.
our soils have been depleted of their minerals so vegtables and fruits do not have them anymore.
This is a big problem with all our health issues today.
minerals and vitamins are the most important of all.