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Bernie Sanders for President Pt. 3
Re: Bernie Sanders for President Pt. 2
by Cog » Mon 06 Jun 2016, 23:24:33
Give it up Sixstrings. Embrace your nominee.
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Re: Bernie Sanders for President Pt. 2
by Sixstrings » Mon 06 Jun 2016, 23:25:21
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'T')he super delegates counted have already stated their position to vote for Clinton at the convention. It would be unprecedented for them to change their vote and go against the majority popular vote and pledged delegates.
Superdelegates were first put in there, after McGovern. The idea was to forever prevent Democrats from nominating "some liberal that can't win."
The entire design and intent of superdelegates was to overrule popular vote -- to ensure that a nominee that can actually win the general, is chosen.
Well here we are in 2016, and a very strange election year.
It's actually Sanders that polls so much higher than trump (sanders does much better with independents than clinton does). Whereas Clinton either ties trump or loses to him.
Therefore, given what the original intent for having superdelagates was, they really ought to side with Bernie.
In any event, Bernie has the right to campaign for their votes and make that case to them.
Or, at minimum, clinton should enter into a negotiation process with Bernie Sanders and his half of the Democratic Party, if she wants their votes.
She cannot unite the party without genuinely doing just that, *uniting the party*, and adjusting some of her positions to where Bernie could endorse her.
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Re: Bernie Sanders for President Pt. 2
by Lore » Mon 06 Jun 2016, 23:35:37
Notice, Bernie has not been attacked during the run up. You can only imagine the hammer and sickle take down by Trump and the party. He's just been used as a foil against Clinton.
However, the way Trump is going Micky Mouse may just get his first real shot to beat a Presidential candidate. The polls are becoming increasingly meaningless as the voters will coalesce around the nominated candidate.
However, the way Trump is going Micky Mouse may just get his first real shot to beat a Presidential candidate. The polls are becoming increasingly meaningless as the voters will coalesce around the nominated candidate.
The things that will destroy America are prosperity-at-any-price, peace-at-any-price, safety-first instead of duty-first, the love of soft living, and the get-rich-quick theory of life.
... Theodore Roosevelt
... Theodore Roosevelt
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Re: Bernie Sanders for President Pt. 2
by Sixstrings » Tue 07 Jun 2016, 16:31:13
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Supporters of Bernie Sanders expressed outrage in the hours leading up to Tuesday's primary elections ...
from the stage of the rally and among the more than 10,000 supporters who cheered on the Vermont senator, the emotions ranged from incredulity to anger.
"When the mainstream media calls the polls, calls the election, because they're already planning to do it to suppress the vote in California, we will fight on," said Nina Turner, a former Ohio state senator and one of Sanders' top surrogates.
Morgan Reed, a rafting guide from Mendicino, California, attended the rally and said it was unseemly for the media to call the race for Clinton so close to the start of voting in California, warning that it amounted to "disenfranchising the vote."
"It's ridiculous. California is the biggest state in the nation," she said.
Patrick Bryant of San Francisco, who also attended the Sanders' rally, said the decision was disappointing: "It's what bookies do. They call fights before they're over."
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/c8976c50c03f4f1d97f5e34d7057f600/sanders-supporters-angry-clinton-wins-sufficient-backing
from the stage of the rally and among the more than 10,000 supporters who cheered on the Vermont senator, the emotions ranged from incredulity to anger.
"When the mainstream media calls the polls, calls the election, because they're already planning to do it to suppress the vote in California, we will fight on," said Nina Turner, a former Ohio state senator and one of Sanders' top surrogates.
Morgan Reed, a rafting guide from Mendicino, California, attended the rally and said it was unseemly for the media to call the race for Clinton so close to the start of voting in California, warning that it amounted to "disenfranchising the vote."
"It's ridiculous. California is the biggest state in the nation," she said.
Patrick Bryant of San Francisco, who also attended the Sanders' rally, said the decision was disappointing: "It's what bookies do. They call fights before they're over."
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/c8976c50c03f4f1d97f5e34d7057f600/sanders-supporters-angry-clinton-wins-sufficient-backing
Nina Turner says she'll fight on, to the convention:
"The mainstream media may not understand it, but there is no substitute or replacement for Senator Bernie Sanders. Sisters and brothers we're going to fight on, say fight on!"
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Nina Turner for Bernie Sanders: We Will Fight On, 6/6/16, San Francisco
"I’ve got a news flash. We’re going all the way to the convention."
Danny Glover and former State Senator Nina Turner at Senator Sanders' last campaign event in San Francisco on the eve of the June 7 primary election.
https://youtu.be/YoT7ACM0zR4
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Re: Bernie Sanders for President Pt. 2
by Cog » Tue 07 Jun 2016, 16:43:17
Bernie Sanders will not be the nominee. The sooner you Democrats fully embrace your candidate, like Lore already has, the sooner you can beat the misogynist, racist, and homophobic Donald Trump. All of those accusations of Hillary Clinton being a criminal or violating national security are simply a vast right wing conspiracy.
Time to man up and support your candidate.
I am Cog and endorse this position.
Time to man up and support your candidate.
I am Cog and endorse this position.
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Re: Bernie Sanders for President Pt. 2
by Sixstrings » Tue 07 Jun 2016, 17:32:01
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'T')he sooner you Democrats fully embrace your candidate, like Lore already has, the sooner you can beat the misogynist, racist, and homophobic Donald Trump.
No -- Clinton ought to to do whatever she needs to, to make things right with Bernie Sanders.
If she can do right by Bernie then maybe I can do right by her, and vote for her.
(I say maybe.. I could go one way, or another way.. if Trump keeps it up about that judge he's going on about, that's the kind of thing that may get me start thinking "Madame President." Some latest news though is that he says he's gonna shut up about that stuff, so we'll see.)
I voted for Bernie. I like Trump, when he's not being over the line about something, but when it came time to vote -- I voted Bernie.
I COULD have switched parties and voted Trump, but I did not (there's things I like about him, but it just wasn't there enough for me to actually go vote for him.. it COULD have been.. he COULD have been less bigot-seeming.. he COULD have come out for raising minimum wage sooner, and been stronger about it.
I could have swtiched back to R and voted for him, if he'd been a bit different -- I just vote on issues, gimme somebody interesting and personality I like, and that's strong on some issues I can agree with and then okay I vote for them. It's not rocket science.)
And I could have voted Clinton, but I did not. And to be honest, I thought about it. I had that ballot in my hands.. it said "Clinton, Sanders, O'Malley." To be honest -- I did think for a few minutes about it.
I put my mail-in ballot away, for a day. Then when I finally decided, and checked Bernie's name I thought "hm, well it would be pretty cool to vote for a woman for president for the first time in my life."
But THEN I thought about the issues, and how consistent Bernie has been on so many things.. from wall street reform, to working and middle class issues, and how I gut level know he wants to do what's best for everyone and his policies are the kind that would help EVERYBODY, of all races and both genders.
So, I voted Bernie. If somebody is so good on the issues as Bernie is, and honest, then I HAD to vote Bernie.
So at that convention there will be a delegate there whom my vote went toward electing. A Bernie delegate means another voice at the D convention that's for his issues, and that can shape the platform / pressure Clinton to adopt a few of his stances.
Bernie, and his issues, still needs every vote he can get.
I agree with Nina Turner, "fight on, brothers and sisters."
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