[dohboi]

Ummmm, the text says "bloviate" (not that I don't misspell words once in a while, but this is not one of those times, as it happens).

So perhaps it is you have have bovines on the brain??

[vtsnowedin]

When all is said and done I'd still prefer taking a $6.00 bushel of corn and feeding it to a steer so he gains 15 pounds of dressed weight worth $5.00 a pound. And then I'd take the next bushel and feed it to the chickens and collect fourteen dozen eggs to go along with the corn fed bacon and whole wheat toast for breakfast.
Corn meal mush is just not that appealing.

[ennui2]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'b')oviate? I believe you meant blo·vi·ate. Let me guess: you must have bovines on the mind?

[ennui2]

Dohboi is the one who accused you of being a bloviator (a windbag). I'm merely agreeing with him. So if you've got a problem with the criticism, take it up with him first.

[Cog]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '?')And you posting style troll? Take a nice conversation . . . drag it into the dirt . . . and push it off the page. I'll just have to repost. I have all day ennui.

[dohboi]

vt, you're right of course.

There's no way that humans could ever figure out how to plant something other than corn. They've never planted anything other than corn, and when they have, it's always been a failure.

So yeah, if we give up meat, the only thing we can ever eat any more is just corn mush all the time.

[/snark]

(Do people on this thread really want anyone to take these ludicrous positions seriously? Kinda suggests that you don't have any argument if all you can come up with is such lame ones.)

[Shaved Monkey]

I just spent a month in a 3rd world Buddhist nation.
They ate meat with nearly every meal it was a lot less meat than we eat in the 1st world but it was still there.
They also ate insects.
Fish was the cheapest protein and fish sauce and eggs was the regular protein supplement.
Fish Pork and chicken was the most common protein,dairy, beef and buffalo and lamb were available but it seemed mainly for westerners and was a lot more expensive.(this would be to do with climate culture and land mass to grow them)
Veganism cant save the world from destruction
It is a white bread, middle class, guilt trip and the whole world when pushed would eat bugs,rats,cats, dogs or even long pig to get protein if they where starving, not deliberately choose not to eat meat as an illogical, hair shirt, moral victory.

Yes "we" eat too much meat but we also eat too much grain and sugar and "food" made in factories.

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dohboi', 'v')t, you're right of course.

There's no way that humans could ever figure out how to plant something other than corn. They've never planted anything other than corn, and when they have, it's always been a failure.

So yeah, if we give up meat, the only thing we can ever eat any more is just corn mush all the time.

[/snark]

[dohboi]

There are thousands of excellent vegan recipes, hundreds just in the soup category. You could start here: http://allrecipes.com/recipes/1227/ever ... ing/vegan/

Don't forget things like pastas and mushrooms.

Of course, if you long for meat-like tastes, there's always the Herbivorous Butcher Shop http://www.theherbivorousbutcher.com/ (about a mile from where I live)

[dohboi]

SM, thanks for the input.

"They ate meat with nearly every meal it was a lot less meat than we eat in the 1st world but it was still there.
They also ate insects."

Yup, as I said, if we all eat a LOT LESS meat (with a few insects, fish and eggs sprinkled in once in a while), that would get us there.

But from the reactions on this and related threads, it's pretty clear that lots of people are going the opposite direction--eating ever more meat. That means others will have to make do with even less to none.

So all you blokes who like their steaks should be the biggest supporters of veganism in the world.

Those who are already eating very little meat (esp. beef and lamb) and dairy, fugetaboutit.

[Newfie]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dohboi', 'v')t, you're right of course.

There's no way that humans could ever figure out how to plant something other than corn. They've never planted anything other than corn, and when they have, it's always been a failure.

So yeah, if we give up meat, the only thing we can ever eat any more is just corn mush all the time.

[/snark]

(Do people on this thread really want anyone to take these ludicrous positions seriously? Kinda suggests that you don't have any argument if all you can come up with is such lame ones.)

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '
')I didn't think I needed to list all the grains and vegetables I prefer meat to.
But no I don't want to live on a diet that consists of Oat meal. cream of wheat, barley broth, peas porridge, rice, rutabagas, turnips and Lima beans just to mention a few.

[ennui2]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', '
')Why do we always lock into stupid polarization on these threads where common sense and practical solutions are ignored and dumb dumb dumb ideological positions start to be argued like a bunch of adolescents?

[Newfie]

Dohboi

In an effort to return to logical discussion....perhaps it would help to define what "save the world" means. I suspect we disagree from the start because we do not have a common understanding of the premis.

[Cog]

And there are some, including yours truly, who are comfortable with saving their part of the world and letting the rest wither on the vine.

[dissident]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'A')nd there are some, including yours truly, who are comfortable with saving their part of the world and letting the rest wither on the vine.

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'D')ohboi

In an effort to return to logical discussion....perhaps it would help to define what "save the world" means. I suspect we disagree from the start because we do not have a common understanding of the premis.

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dohboi', 'S')M, thanks for the input.

"They ate meat with nearly every meal it was a lot less meat than we eat in the 1st world but it was still there.
They also ate insects."

Yup, as I said, if we all eat a LOT LESS meat (with a few insects, fish and eggs sprinkled in once in a while), that would get us there.

But from the reactions on this and related threads, it's pretty clear that lots of people are going the opposite direction--eating ever more meat. That means others will have to make do with even less to none.

So all you blokes who like their steaks should be the biggest supporters of veganism in the world.

Those who are already eating very little meat (esp. beef and lamb) and dairy, fugetaboutit.