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THE Terror / Terrorism Thread pt 4 (merged)

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Re: Americans Name Terrorism as No. 1 U.S. Problem

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Sat 20 Feb 2016, 22:49:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Outcast_Searcher', ' ')I just don't mistakenly believe only Muslims are terrorists, nor do I believe more than a very small fraction of Muslims are terrorists.

Given the data, neither should any rational person.


Bill Maher has claimed that "hundreds of millions" of Muslims support terrorism, and Bill Maher seems like an eminently rational person to me.

Even if it's true that hundreds of millions of Muslims don't like America or the first world in general does not, IMO, make them terrorists.

Looking up some definitons of terrorism, it seems to be defined as acts of violence, intimidation, or coercion ...

Rooting for a group or answering a certain way on a poll isn't violence, intimidation, or coercion.

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Bill Maher is more rational than some, less rational than many, IMO.
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Re: Americans Name Terrorism as No. 1 U.S. Problem

Unread postby ralfy » Sun 21 Feb 2016, 11:22:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Outcast_Searcher', '
')And if you want a PERFECT example of that, the hard crash doomer fears on this board, constantly, of a short term global or US economic implosion, certainly fits that.

Of course they have lots of company, zerohedge being a classic example, and a bunch of long term permabear economic "newsletters" (which manage to survive, despite their lack of success in forecasting -- since rooting for economic doom is such a popular sport) is another.

In fact, you could argue that the entire range of global problems humanity shares from overpopulation to consumption overshoot is based on irrational thinking. Fear/adrenaline/emotion is great for, say, outrunning the bear when it attacks. Not so great for solving complex problems in the modern world.


The problem is that those fears are not unfounded: the global economy crashed in 2008, remained weak throughout, conditions leading to that crash have been present, and there are now concerns of another crash, but made not by "doomers" but by various finance and banking organizations.

Also, global problems are not based on "irrational thinking" but by limits to growth. That's why real data has been tracking forecasts made four decades ago:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... g-collapse

And it is highly unlikely that anyone will be able to show resource availability trends suddenly reversing in the short term.
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Re: Americans Name Terrorism as No. 1 U.S. Problem

Unread postby ralfy » Sun 21 Feb 2016, 11:26:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Outcast_Searcher', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'T')hen who says all of Islam lives under the old law, you?


I judge them on what they do. Rape and murder seems to be their MO wherever they immigrate to. Ask the women in Europe what they think of their new guests.

Jeez Cog. You are judging an entire culture by a tiny fraction of extremists.

This is as "reasonable" as PrestonSturges frequently calling the entire GOP "racists", whether implicitly or explicitly.

This does NOT mean I don't consider terrorism a problem. I just don't mistakenly believe only Muslims are terrorists, nor do I believe more than a very small fraction of Muslims are terrorists.

Given the data, neither should any rational person.


We should also consider their various backers.
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Re: Americans Name Terrorism as No. 1 U.S. Problem

Unread postby onlooker » Sun 21 Feb 2016, 11:27:37

What Ralfy just now eloquently stated I will make simpler and succinct. The facts related to economic trends over the past few years support a near term contraction or bust in the major economic indicators.
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Re: Americans Name Terrorism as No. 1 U.S. Problem

Unread postby Lore » Sun 21 Feb 2016, 12:12:05

The argument is somewhat fleating. I'm more afraid of the Cliven Bundy types taking over our land then Muslims and of course we're only one different crisis away from that being the most significant problem we face.
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Re: Americans Name Terrorism as No. 1 U.S. Problem

Unread postby Cog » Sun 21 Feb 2016, 13:52:44

No one came and beat on your door this morning when you skipped church. Under Sharia law, you can be prosecuted for this offense. Among many other offenses under Islam. And they treat them women like crap and rape women who are showing what they consider too much flesh. Female genital mutilation, stoning of gays, etc etc.

Basically Islam is a crazy religion who won't leave you alone to be an atheist, heretic, or just plain want your freedom not to embrace their culture and law. Everyone must comply. If they could just practice their religion and leave everyone else be, I wouldn't have a problem with them. Just like I have no problems with Hindus, Buddhists, atheists or agnostics. They aren't trying to kill me. Islam doesn't work that way.
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Re: Americans Name Terrorism as No. 1 U.S. Problem

Unread postby Lore » Sun 21 Feb 2016, 14:00:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'N')o one came and beat on your door this morning when you skipped church. Under Sharia law, you can be prosecuted for this offense. Among many other offenses under Islam. And they treat them women like crap and rape women who are showing what they consider too much flesh. Female genital mutilation, stoning of gays, etc etc.

Basically Islam is a crazy religion who won't leave you alone to be an atheist, heretic, or just plain want your freedom not to embrace their culture and law. Everyone must comply. If they could just practice their religion and leave everyone else be, I wouldn't have a problem with them. Just like I have no problems with Hindus, Buddhists, atheists or agnostics. They aren't trying to kill me. Islam doesn't work that way.


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Re: Americans Name Terrorism as No. 1 U.S. Problem

Unread postby Cog » Sun 21 Feb 2016, 14:02:24

It is their choice. Which is why I don't want them imported here. Because in sufficient numbers, they wouldn't let me make my choices anymore. Just like everywhere else where they become the majority religion.
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Re: Americans Name Terrorism as No. 1 U.S. Problem

Unread postby Lore » Sun 21 Feb 2016, 14:09:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'I')t is their choice. Which is why I don't want them imported here. Because in sufficient numbers, they wouldn't let me make my choices anymore. Just like everywhere else where they become the majority religion.


That's funny because they say the same thing about us and we're there in numbers to violently prove it.
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Re: Americans Name Terrorism as No. 1 U.S. Problem

Unread postby onlooker » Sun 21 Feb 2016, 14:16:43

Didn't we install the Shah in Iran against the wishes of the people. You can also track that we helped get Saddam into power in Iraq.
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Re: Americans Name Terrorism as No. 1 U.S. Problem

Unread postby Newfie » Sun 21 Feb 2016, 16:14:42

This morning driving down a county lane I saw a dead deer. There were 5 vultures sitting by hike one red tail hawk chowder down.

The hawk was entitled to, had the rights to the meat, had the liberty to eat because he was not afraid.

This is the gospel of Nature. Amen.
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Re: Americans Name Terrorism as No. 1 U.S. Problem

Unread postby onlooker » Sun 21 Feb 2016, 16:27:55

Yes at its most base level, rule of might rules. Might makes right.
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Re: Americans Name Terrorism as No. 1 U.S. Problem

Unread postby Newfie » Sun 21 Feb 2016, 23:28:39

That's right, at the most basic level. That's the level Madison Ave. works on, basic gut level. That's the level Terrorrisim has been sold on. We in the US have been feed a constant stream of terror hype since 9/11. 15 years, nearly an entire generation, of being hounded daily with tales of terror.

You wanna know what scares me? Driving. I went on sabbatical for a few months and didn't drive, just sailed around. I got back and driving home on I95 are all these frenetic people whizzing around 20 MPH over the limit, at this crazy speed they are talking on cell phones, texting, eating, fixing their eye lashes! HOLY SHIT THIS IS INSANE!

But it's the thing you are used to. No one sells any guns by hyping safe driving.

Americas WAR ON TERROR (brought to you by the Military/Industrial Complex). You can't fool all the people all the time but in a democracy you only need 51%. :lol:

I took a longevity quiz, how long am I gonna live. They made suggestions. I don't smoke, or drink enough to matter. So my #1 suggestion was to SLOW DOWN driving.

By any rational measure driving should rate far Above terror. Not to mention climate change. But theres no money in that.
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Re: War on Terrorism = false flag

Unread postby Plantagenet » Tue 22 Mar 2016, 11:49:30

Once again another Islamic terrorist attack in Europe---this time in Brussels.

Once again an American president----this time Obama---- blames the attacks on "terrorism" rather then naming the real enemy.

The US and some of the EU are at war with the Islamic Caliphate in Iraq and Syria. We are bombing the Islamic Caliphate daily.

Why is it so difficult for Obama and other western leaders to acknowledge that the Islamic Caliphate is sending jihadis to bomb the EU right back?

Terrorism is a tactic---not an enemy. :idea:
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Re: War on Terrorism = false flag

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Tue 22 Mar 2016, 15:41:24

Once again ^ Cid is wrong.
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Re: War on Terrorism = false flag

Unread postby ennui2 » Tue 22 Mar 2016, 17:45:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '
')Once again an American president----this time Obama----


Once again Planty is more interested in how he can find some way to slander Obama than express grief over loss of life. Politics first, empathy for your fellow man, a distant second.
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Re: War on Terrorism = false flag

Unread postby Plantagenet » Tue 22 Mar 2016, 18:04:52

And from ennui's point of view the ISIS terror attack in Brussels is just another triumph in Obama's war on ISIS.
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Re: War on Terrorism = false flag

Unread postby ennui2 » Wed 23 Mar 2016, 00:47:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'A')nd from ennui's point of view the ISIS terror attack in Brussels is just another triumph in Obama's war on ISIS.


Bullshit. I just don't frame everything that happens on the world stage as a f*cking litmus test of Obama's competence the way you do.

This scapegoat syndrome you have is pretty sick and you should probably be on a homeland security watch-list.
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Re: War on Terrorism = false flag

Unread postby Plantagenet » Wed 23 Mar 2016, 03:47:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ennui2', '
')Bullshit.....f*cking .....Obama.....


Relax ennui. You're getting all wee-wee'd up again

It turns out that in the USA people are allowed to talk about current events and politics and even to disagree with the government. I know this freedom drives your little mind over the edge, but that only happens because you are a nut job.

Cheers! :roll:
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Re: War on Terrorism = false flag

Unread postby Cog » Wed 23 Mar 2016, 06:15:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ennui2', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'A')nd from ennui's point of view the ISIS terror attack in Brussels is just another triumph in Obama's war on ISIS.


Bullshit. I just don't frame everything that happens on the world stage as a f*cking litmus test of Obama's competence the way you do.

This scapegoat syndrome you have is pretty sick and you should probably be on a homeland security watch-list.


You sure love threatening people with the power of the almighty state. What a surprise.
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