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THE Terror / Terrorism Thread pt 4 (merged)

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Re: America going to the UN to save terrorists

Postby Cid_Yama » Sun 27 Dec 2015, 14:16:47

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Re: America going to the UN to save terrorists

Postby AgentR11 » Sun 27 Dec 2015, 14:24:31

why bad? works ok here. Not English though.
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Americans Name Terrorism as No. 1 U.S. Problem

Postby onlooker » Fri 19 Feb 2016, 18:50:36

Well, just to show you the power of the incessant War on Terror propaganda and the power of imminent threat/fear on the psyche of people. Not surprising Republicans more likely to list Terrorism as no. 1 problem. Has has been said on this site by people with expertise, humans have evolved to perceive and react to short terms threats over longer term ones.
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Re: Americans Name Terrorism as No. 1 U.S. Problem

Postby Shaved Monkey » Fri 19 Feb 2016, 19:21:54

More Americans Killed by Bees and Wasps or Falling Televisions than by Terrorists
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Re: Americans Name Terrorism as No. 1 U.S. Problem

Postby onlooker » Fri 19 Feb 2016, 19:27:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shaved Monkey', 'M')ore Americans Killed by Bees and Wasps or Falling Televisions than by Terrorists

Proves my point about propaganda, you don't hear too much news about Bees or Falling TV's :lol: :lol: or for that matter one of the biggest killers heart attacks.
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Re: Americans Name Terrorism as No. 1 U.S. Problem

Postby Ibon » Fri 19 Feb 2016, 19:45:52

When you live in fear in many ways you are already dead..... so we have this funny paradox. Those already dead are more afraid of terrorists than those who are alive and enjoying life.

It is those who do not have a life who fear terrorists.... those who are not really living in the first place.

This is the segment of the population totally vulnerable to political manipulation because they don't think and because they are not free. Their are imprisoned in their fear and easily lead on a leash of political lies and manipulations.

It is folks like this who love Donald Trump.
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Re: Americans Name Terrorism as No. 1 U.S. Problem

Postby onlooker » Fri 19 Feb 2016, 19:58:42

Absolutely, Ibon. Fear distorts ones rationale and reason just as I think too much addiction or desire for pleasure does also. Both pleasure seeking and fear are powerful drivers and feedbacks that cloud our mental perspicacity.
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Re: Americans Name Terrorism as No. 1 U.S. Problem

Postby Newfie » Fri 19 Feb 2016, 20:35:25

It would not be impossible to prove with sufficient repetition and a psychological understanding of the people concerned that a square is in fact a circle. They are mere words, and words can be molded until they clothe ideas and disguise.”
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Re: Americans Name Terrorism as No. 1 U.S. Problem

Postby ennui2 » Fri 19 Feb 2016, 20:38:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', 'W')ell, just to show you the power of the incessant War on Terror propaganda


Terrorism is not a made-up threat. I live where the Marathon bomber struck. The manhunt was minutes away from where I live. People are entitled to be concerned about it. Don't feel the need to demean their concerns in order to pump up other concerns.
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Re: Americans Name Terrorism as No. 1 U.S. Problem

Postby ennui2 » Fri 19 Feb 2016, 20:39:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', 'A')bsolutely, Ibon. Fear distorts ones rationale and reason just as I think too much addiction or desire for pleasure does also. Both pleasure seeking and fear are powerful drivers and feedbacks that cloud our mental perspicacity.


There's an entire thread here devoted to psychologically dissecting doomers as well. So let's not feel too superior to the sheeple here. It cuts both ways.
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Re: Americans Name Terrorism as No. 1 U.S. Problem

Postby onlooker » Fri 19 Feb 2016, 20:55:04

"the consciousness of being at war, and therefore in danger, makes the handing-over of all power to a small caste seem the natural, unavoidable condition of survival." Ennui are you concerned about dying from a heart attack? Well according to your remark you should be entitled to be concerned as your risk of dying from a heart attack is far greater than dying from a terrorist attack. As for feeling superior nobody is feeling superior since when is a dissection of the predicaments facing humanity about feeling superior.
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Re: Americans Name Terrorism as No. 1 U.S. Problem

Postby Newfie » Fri 19 Feb 2016, 21:09:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ennui2', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', 'W')ell, just to show you the power of the incessant War on Terror propaganda


Terrorism is not a made-up threat. I live where the Marathon bomber struck. The manhunt was minutes away from where I live. People are entitled to be concerned about it. Don't feel the need to demean their concerns in order to pump up other concerns.


Yes it is a made up threat and I do demean your paranoia.

Unreasonable fear in your case does not elicit concern in my case, except for the harm your fear does to my freedoms.

People are not "entitled" to anything. PC baloney.

PS. Sorry if this comes across a little harsh, don't know how to say it better yet succinctly.
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Re: Americans Name Terrorism as No. 1 U.S. Problem

Postby Timo » Fri 19 Feb 2016, 21:31:12

Darth Cheney's strategy to divide and conquer the sheeple is working perfectly, to everyone's demise. We are less free today than before 9-11. Is that because the terrorists are restricting our freedoms? Or is that because our government is using fear to convince us to allow them to restrict our freedoms?

Yes, terrorists exist, and the US strategy to indoctrinate us to hate brown people, Latin American's, Palestinians, Arabs, and all Muslims everywhere, creates more terrorists who feel betrayed by what they believed to be American virtues. American's have betrayed themselves to value security above the founding principles of our nation. Terrorism is never justified, but the War on Terror has been a selective campaign to cripple everything that the USA was, and should have been. Terrorists didn't do this to us. We did it to ourselves, and blamed it on people who were convinced we want to kill them.

Be very careful what you wish for. Propaganda works very well to certain ends.
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Re: Americans Name Terrorism as No. 1 U.S. Problem

Postby Ibon » Fri 19 Feb 2016, 21:53:11

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Terrorism is not a made-up threat. I live where the Marathon bomber struck.


Statistically speaking terrorism IS a made up threat. This is simply fact.

Back in the late 80's early 90's when I was in my Yuppie chapter in the world of commerce, I was in Lima Peru with my sales representative, she was a switched on and bright young 25 year old who took no shit from anyone. We were driving through the inner city near the morgue and police station because we were visiting the forensics department to try to sell them a ballistic microscope. The whole city center had 90% of the windows blown out because the sendero luminoso (shining path) just set off a series of bombs. Maria, my sales rep, told me about all the lives lost, all the attacks and brutal tactics of the shining path. I asked her how this affected her and her ability to move through the city. She told me she never thought about it, she said she didn't care about the threat, she wasn't going to allow the maoists to terrorize her. A lot of Peruvians took this position. Colombians the same in Cali or Medellin at that time which was quite rough for different reasons. People go about their lives like everything is normal. You cope, you adapt, you thrive.

What makes Americans different? Is it because, A) they are a more fearful lot, or B) they have a government and media that manipulates them into being fearful.

Where are the messages out their to live warrior like in defiance to those whose objective is to terrorize.

The actual muslim terrorists themselves in fact are not really effective in instilling fear. It is our governments manipulative portraying of them that instills fear. Is it not?

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Re: Americans Name Terrorism as No. 1 U.S. Problem

Postby onlooker » Fri 19 Feb 2016, 21:59:38

I have been trying to also offer this message of manipulation because the premise is that a fearful population will yearn to have a strong government that insures security even that the expense of civil liberties. Many people understand this premise but less are willing to admit that the US govt. is actively on course to instill an authoritarian government via this sort of manipulation. We are headed into uncharted waters. Now will we willingly cede total control to the govt. Maybe if they can keep us safe and well fed.
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Re: Americans Name Terrorism as No. 1 U.S. Problem

Postby Plantagenet » Fri 19 Feb 2016, 22:12:25

Considering that obama is currently waging war on terrorists in three countries--- Iraq, Syria, and Afghanistan---- and killing terrorists using drones in a half dozen more countries, and just this morning Obama opened a new front against terrorism by bombing terrorists in Libya, a country where Obama toppled the existing government in an earlier misguided war, Its not surprising that Americans are concerned about terrorism.

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Re: Americans Name Terrorism as No. 1 U.S. Problem

Postby Cog » Fri 19 Feb 2016, 22:19:31

Muslims taking over a country and terrorizing the women by raping them is rapidly becoming a concern in Europe. And it should concern Americans if the trend of settling hundreds of thousands of them here like Bernie and Hillary are wanting to do.
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Re: Americans Name Terrorism as No. 1 U.S. Problem

Postby Newfie » Fri 19 Feb 2016, 22:23:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'M')uslims taking over a country and terrorizing the women by raping them is rapidly becoming a concern in Europe. And it should concern Americans if the trend of settling hundreds of thousands of them here like Bernie and Hillary are wanting to do.


Yes, but that's not terrorism, it's stupid.
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Re: Americans Name Terrorism as No. 1 U.S. Problem

Postby Cog » Fri 19 Feb 2016, 22:27:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'M')uslims taking over a country and terrorizing the women by raping them is rapidly becoming a concern in Europe. And it should concern Americans if the trend of settling hundreds of thousands of them here like Bernie and Hillary are wanting to do.


Yes, but that's not terrorism, it's stupid.


Islam, by its very nature, is terrorism.
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Re: Americans Name Terrorism as No. 1 U.S. Problem

Postby Lore » Fri 19 Feb 2016, 23:00:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'M')uslims taking over a country and terrorizing the women by raping them is rapidly becoming a concern in Europe. And it should concern Americans if the trend of settling hundreds of thousands of them here like Bernie and Hillary are wanting to do.


Yes, but that's not terrorism, it's stupid.


Islam, by its very nature, is terrorism.


You could say the same thing about Christian fundamentalists.
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