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Re: Doom do you want it to happen?

Postby Cid_Yama » Tue 16 Feb 2016, 19:06:51

Guess you didn't bother to read my posts above. You also seem to lack an understanding of the progression of methane releases over the last decade.

But that's ok. Believe what you will. But cool it on the personal attacks. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.
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Re: Doom do you want it to happen?

Postby Cog » Tue 16 Feb 2016, 19:10:42

Cid really gets irritated when his doom predictions are held up to the clear light of facts.
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Re: Doom do you want it to happen?

Postby Cid_Yama » Tue 16 Feb 2016, 19:14:33

Oh, it's YOUR sock puppet. I should have guessed. Same bifurcation fallacy.
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Re: Doom do you want it to happen?

Postby Cid_Yama » Tue 16 Feb 2016, 19:27:23

*crickets*
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Re: Doom do you want it to happen?

Postby onlooker » Tue 16 Feb 2016, 19:48:23

I just would like to say that I respect Cid's viewpoints as expressed through his posts and I respect his intellect. I just hope he is wrong in his analysis of ELE.
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Re: Doom do you want it to happen?

Postby Ibon » Tue 16 Feb 2016, 21:12:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ennui2', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AdamB', '
')I would venture, with zero proof (and knowing I might get bashed for mentioning it, but that is alright, because I am willing to admit ignorance here) that doomer and optimism are mutually exclusive.Just as a mental exercise and allowing myself to be freely bashed for not being smart enough to figure out (without help) how I might be wrong here.


The main thing that annoys me in people's posting habits is a sort of pattern or template-based way of thinking. Someone has reached sort of an epistemic closure in their head and every time they have something to add, it is merely a restatement of their conviction, their paradigm, if you will. They are fitting world events to their paradigm rather than actively thinking things through or reevaluating. It's a closed-mindedness.

What tends to happen is people either only interact within an echo-chamber of the liked-minded (which is just a feel-good circle-jerk) or they coexist with dissent but merely talk past the other but never really actively incorporate any new data or question their convictions.

This is true not just with doomers but anybody's ideology in general. Ideology (or any strong opinion) is wrapped up with identity and ego and so people protect their viewpoints via various mental gymnastics.


This applies to generations and the collective cultures that make up the mindset of nations or bio regions or religions. It is the renewal that comes out of generations and also out of unstable calamity events that shift narratives and thinking.

I think about my dad, a menonite farmer from eastern Pennsylvania, who in WWII was a soldier stationed in Rome Italy where he met my Roman mother , an irreverant Italian cosmopolitan concert pianist. Now you tell me how two such different human beings with such radically different backgrounds would have ever come together without a world war?

My own family experience happens to explain some of my optimism around cultural adaptability and plasticity and what an elixer destabilizing events can be in reshuffling the cultural deck.

The catalyst of consequences...... human overshoot will create physical challenges that may be as calamitous as a world war, in this same way I can envision how an Overshoot Predator may one day help to bust old and stubborn paradigms and one can appreciate his power to bring about change in a similar way that I have Hitler to thank for my existence.
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Re: Doom do you want it to happen?

Postby Timo » Tue 16 Feb 2016, 23:36:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', 'T')he catalyst of consequences...... human overshoot will create physical challenges that may be as calamitous as a world war, in this same way I can envision how an Overshoot Predator may one day help to bust old and stubborn paradigms and one can appreciate his power to bring about change in a similar way that I have Hitler to thank for my existence.

That is one of the strangest sentences I have ever read. 8O I don't doubt it for a minute, but Holy Howler Monkeys! Thanking Hitler for anything is simply a concept that blows my mind. I have never once ever thought about thanking Hitler for anything, but you actually have a viable case for it!

I guess it just goes to demonstrate that good things can result from unfortunate events, even evil events, like Hitler.

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Re: Doom do you want it to happen?

Postby SeaGypsy » Wed 17 Feb 2016, 07:30:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ennui2', 'Y')ou just did. You said peak-oil doom comes first and AGW fears are overblown.

You have a blind-spot a mile wide because you are so heavily invested in a cultural war against BAU that would be rendered pointless if AGW just ushers in a definitive mass-extinction.
I don't do culture wars mos. I fight my own battles. I don't quote platitude either like you. And what kind of weasel words are those? Is there a definite mass-extinction or not? Are you an AGW doomer or not? Can you ever (wo)man up and get to the point. The logical point.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ennui2', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '
')You are a fool mos/ennui.


More ad homs. This has turned into a pretty serious thread, Pstarr. Everyone's pretty much on their best behavior--except you. You keep claiming to take the high road, but you're basically just having a defensive temper-tantrum.

I don't utter ad homs. I just call out idiots. You have posted doomer at me a thousand times because I scare you. I understand resource depletion of all kinds not just oil, but fisheries, top soil, copper, phosphorus and lovely wild places. It does not make me a doomer, just a realist. And so none of your accusations have stuck. I posted above that IPCC offers scant support fast climate collapse. You support bad pop science. That makes you an AGW doomer. I am done with your denial, pop psychology. Mos, you have been on everybody's ignore list. I gave you a chance. You are now on mine.

Broken record P, I'm joining. Mos & A.Dream, my list is getting long lol... Both too high rent.
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Re: Doom do you want it to happen?

Postby ennui2 » Wed 17 Feb 2016, 10:09:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'I') don't do culture wars mos


If it walks like a duck...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '
')I don't utter ad homs.


Um...yeah...right.

You do almost nothing BUT issue ad homs, and not just to me, but anyone else who disagrees with you.

I knew this thread couldn't stay civil for long. It's a race to the bottom.
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Re: Doom do you want it to happen?

Postby ennui2 » Wed 17 Feb 2016, 10:12:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'I') know Timo. Ibon must have licked a poison dart frog


So sayeth PStarr: "I don't ad hom."
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Re: Doom do you want it to happen?

Postby Ibon » Wed 17 Feb 2016, 11:39:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Timo', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', 'T')he catalyst of consequences...... human overshoot will create physical challenges that may be as calamitous as a world war, in this same way I can envision how an Overshoot Predator may one day help to bust old and stubborn paradigms and one can appreciate his power to bring about change in a similar way that I have Hitler to thank for my existence.

That is one of the strangest sentences I have ever read. 8O I don't doubt it for a minute, but Holy Howler Monkeys! Thanking Hitler for anything is simply a concept that blows my mind. I have never once ever thought about thanking Hitler for anything, but you actually have a viable case for it!

I guess it just goes to demonstrate that good things can result from unfortunate events, even evil events, like Hitler.

Life sure is strange.


Thanking Hitler is symbolic of total sacrilege and honoring evil definitely evokes a shocked response. It is none the less an example of how totally destabilizing events can combine what would otherwise be an impossibility. And yes I am implying that what happened to my parents could happen to a culture as well.
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Re: Doom do you want it to happen?

Postby Timo » Wed 17 Feb 2016, 13:48:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Timo', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', 'T')he catalyst of consequences...... human overshoot will create physical challenges that may be as calamitous as a world war, in this same way I can envision how an Overshoot Predator may one day help to bust old and stubborn paradigms and one can appreciate his power to bring about change in a similar way that I have Hitler to thank for my existence.

That is one of the strangest sentences I have ever read. 8O I don't doubt it for a minute, but Holy Howler Monkeys! Thanking Hitler for anything is simply a concept that blows my mind. I have never once ever thought about thanking Hitler for anything, but you actually have a viable case for it!

I guess it just goes to demonstrate that good things can result from unfortunate events, even evil events, like Hitler.

Life sure is strange.

Thanking Hitler is symbolic of total sacrilege and honoring evil definitely evokes a shocked response. It is none the less an example of how totally destabilizing events can combine what would otherwise be an impossibility. And yes I am implying that what happened to my parents could happen to a culture as well.

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Re: Doom do you want it to happen?

Postby ennui2 » Wed 17 Feb 2016, 14:43:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '
')It's a joke you idiot


You think you're witty and funny but your "humor" is always couched in ridicule or mockery of another individual or group. That's the hallmark of an obnoxious prick, which is probably what your personality is like face-to-face. I've shied away from labeling you like that, but that's how you come across. An obnoxious prick. If you don't like being called an insensitive and obnoxious prick, then stop acting like one, because whether you realize it, that's how you come across. Even when appeals are made for you to be polite and respectful in special threads like this, you double down on prickish-ness and drag the thread into the gutter.

This paragraph above, by the way, is not an ad hom. ;)
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Re: Doom do you want it to happen?

Postby ennui2 » Wed 17 Feb 2016, 14:51:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ennui2', 'I')f you don't like being called an insensitive and obnoxious prick, then stop acting like one, because whether you realize it, that's how you come across. Even when appeals are made for you to be polite and respectful in special threads like this, you double down on prickish-ness and drag the thread into the gutter.

This paragraph above, by the way, is not an ad hom. ;)

Here we go. I merely called you are moron. Or an idiot? Not the turd-bucket that you actually are lol


So much for your claim of using the ignore filter. What is it, the 3rd or 4th time you did that?
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Re: Doom do you want it to happen?

Postby Ibon » Wed 17 Feb 2016, 17:53:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ennui2', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ennui2', 'I')f you don't like being called an insensitive and obnoxious prick, then stop acting like one, because whether you realize it, that's how you come across. Even when appeals are made for you to be polite and respectful in special threads like this, you double down on prickish-ness and drag the thread into the gutter.

This paragraph above, by the way, is not an ad hom. ;)

Here we go. I merely called you are moron. Or an idiot? Not the turd-bucket that you actually are lol


So much for your claim of using the ignore filter. What is it, the 3rd or 4th time you did that?


We have this canopy species of butterfly here at Mount Totumas. The Garamas Swallowtail. The males often encounter each other and get into this spiraling frenzied flight pattern as the fly around each other in tight circles. This often brings them down out of the canopy into the entomologists net where they are then tucked away in waxed envelopes for later pinning.

You two remind me of these male butterflies as they spiral around each other.

I hope this did not awaken a homo erotic fantasy between the two of you but there does seem to be a bit of love affair going on here! ! ! ! !
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