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Re: Elon Musk: Killer Robots will eliminate us all in 5-10 Y

Unread postby vox_mundi » Thu 14 Jan 2016, 00:04:43

It's replicant Roy Batty's birthday

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n the Blade Runner universe the Nexus 6 replicant calling itself Roy Batty rolled off the production lines of the Tyrell Corporation today.

At the time Blade Runner was made, mainstream computing was in its infancy. IBM had just brought out its first PC, chip manufacturers weren't even close to gigahertz speeds, and the rest of computer hardware like memory and hard drives were (comparatively) huge, slow, and very expensive.

Batty was listed as a high-performance combat drone, with excellent intellectual abilities that would have put it in genius mode.

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Batty: Questions... Morphology? Longevity? Incept dates?
Hannibal Chew: Don't know, I don't know such stuff. I just do eyes, ju-, ju-, just eyes... just genetic design, just eyes. You Nexus, huh? I design your eyes.
Batty: Chew, if only you could see what I've seen with your eyes!

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Sure; it doesn't look impressive, but don't get it pissed in a bar fight.
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Re: Elon Musk: Killer Robots will eliminate us all in 5-10 Y

Unread postby vox_mundi » Mon 18 Jan 2016, 13:18:45

Robots. Machine learnin', 3D-printin' AI robots: They'll take our jobs – Davos

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Robot overlords will cause a net loss of over five million human jobs by 2020, according to analysis by the World Economic Forum (WEF) from Switzerland's Davos ski resort.

Dubbed the Fourth Industrial Revolution, a mixture of artificial intelligence, machine learning, robotics, nanotechnology and 3D printing – when combined with advances in genetics and biotechnology and significant demographic changes – will "transform the labour markets in the next five years", stated The Future of Jobs report published by the WEF today.

In total, 7.1 million jobs will be lost to the machines, whether through redundancy, automation or disintermediation (cutting out the middle men), with office and admin roles set to be hit hardest.

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '')Without urgent and targeted action today to manage the near-term transition and build a workforce with future proof skills, governments will have to cope with ever-growing unemployment and inequality, and businesses with a shrinking consumer base,” said Klaus Schwab, Founder and Executive Chairman of the World Economic Forum.

“Our analysis reveals that upcoming disruptions to the employment landscape will be about much more than simply automation. It is essential that we act collectively now to prepare ourselves for the changes that we know the Fourth Industrial Revolution will bring,” said Saadia Zahidi, head of the Global Challenge on Employment, Skills and Human Capital, at the World Economic Forum.

Businesses themselves will need to take responsibility for "up-skilling" and "re-skilling" their workforce, concluded the WEF, adding "it is imperative that governments put in place rapid and fundamental change in education systems to prepare for the new labour market".

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ') Gartner analyst Stephen Prentice has previously suggested that a machine could make a better workplace manager than a human because "it always makes the right decision and never has a bad day", and therefore has the potential to improve productivity and end workplace discrimination.
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Re: Elon Musk: Killer Robots will eliminate us all in 5-10 Y

Unread postby vox_mundi » Mon 18 Jan 2016, 13:40:50

In a driverless future, what happens to today's drivers?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'L')et us imagine a not too distant (and quite likely) future where the majority of vehicles on the roads drive themselves. Those cars are networked together – they communicate information about their position, speed, traffic and hazards around them. You don't need to stop at junctions if you know there's no traffic approaching. A large traffic management system keeps cars moving, finding the best route.

An entire system of transportation that manages itself, reduces traffic, accidents, emissions – and all for a lower cost. How long before people not only accept this but even prefer it? Though many are quick to claim no one will want it, how many people still ride a horse-drawn carriage?

The implications of driverless cars are huge because the transportation industry is huge, employing almost five million people in the U.S. alone. Suddenly you don't need drivers for taxis, buses, garbage trucks, deliveries, you name it. Not just cars either – boats, planes, anything that moves could be completely automated. Once this process begins, it's likely to happen quickly, because there's an incredible amount of money to be saved this way. What happened to the horses when we didn't need them to pull carts?

The people who today drive these vehicles are currently some of the most valuable to society. Modern life would grind to a halt if they all suddenly disappeared. Together, these millions of people move food to our supermarkets, take garbage from our houses and take our children to school. What happens to all those people, who through no fault of their own, find themselves unemployed with a skill set society no longer wants or needs?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')When the transition happens too fast

Farmers were replaced by machinery and they became manufacturers. Manufacturers were replaced by automated assembly lines and they went on to become computer engineers. The more people in a society who can be free to think, create and do things that don't involve sustaining that society (like farming or moving things), the more people you have available to be artists, scientists and entrepreneurs. This leads to more discoveries, which in turn, frees more people to think and so on. Humanity has been doing this for millennia.

But this process of replacing one occupation with another has always been slow. Society needs time to adjust to a change in required skill sets. In truth, few farmers really retrain as manufacturers and few manufacturers go on to become computer engineers. It is much more likely to be the next generation that trains into the new skill set modern society requires. The farmers' children go on to be manufacturers and the manufacturers' children become computer scientists. But at some point, the rate of change may happen quicker than children take to grow up. At some point, the manufacturer has to retrain as a computer engineer… or confront a life with no livelihood.

For the millions of individuals who have suddenly lost their jobs, this evolution is very bad. As a society, we are not good at helping them to retrain. Instead we leave them to rust. Should we as a society pay to retrain workers whose jobs become obsolete, or do we just get used to living in Detroit?
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Re: Elon Musk: Killer Robots will eliminate us all in 5-10 Y

Unread postby AgentR11 » Mon 18 Jan 2016, 14:15:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vox_mundi - article', 's')uddenly you don't need drivers for taxis, buses, garbage trucks, deliveries, you name it. Not just cars either – boats, planes, anything that moves could be completely automated.


Not true at all. The operating personnel are still needed. The only thing that changes is what they do. All the tech in the world can't get rid of of the cashier / customer interaction. If only because unsupervised people are amazingly destructive!

Without a cashier, Bob gets in the taxi, sticks $20 in the receptacle; then carves his prostitute's phone/text # in the glass of the vehicle... Joe comes in next, gets mad at the free advertising for his competitors prostitute, and just before getting out, jams a piece of gum into the slot. Next guy gets in, can't pay because machine is broken; does the car stay put? does it refuse to let him out after transport?

The short of it is that you can automate and unman things that regular, retail customers do not touch. But as soon as you start talking about services for folks that work day labor, or pay mostly in cash, don't have bank accounts, etc; you have to have a cashier. Whether the cashier drives the vehicle or not is irrelevant.

buses, same deal

Garbage trucks? Maybe large, commercial customer pickups... maybe, but even then, folks drop those bins all over, park in weird angles that obstructs them, they over fill them, people climb in them looking for almost rotten food. The human in the truck insures that nothing happens that would create a huge liability for the waste management company. Or just the residential service, the driver will periodically have to get out and collect tagged, extra waste; or alter his route because people park poorly on residential streets.

Can automation of freeway and thoroughfare traffic reduce costs and accidents, probably so; but most situations that involve a commercial driver, require a human in the loop regardless of whether the human turns the steering wheel or not.

Only in a silicon valley mind could the world be envisaged that was not full to the brim with vandalism, theft, and chaotic environments.

And here's a sticky one for you to think about. If Bob cuts open the door of a robotic delivery truck with a cutting torch, and starts steeling stuff, can the robot shoot Bob? If the robot does shoot Bob and fails to kill him; then Bob sues for injury... does the billion dollar google-esque company end up at the mercy of a jury full of yahoos who lost their jobs to robots?

No. There will be no replacement of humans by robots in most of those cases that you mention. There will be some; where there is no customer-public interaction; but mostly no.

OTOH, I could see a LOT of robotic assistance for a human in the loop to perhaps make the jobs safer or less physically demanding. So the robot drives, and the human makes sure that the other humans in the puzzle don't break the robot!
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Re: Elon Musk: Killer Robots will eliminate us all in 5-10 Y

Unread postby AgentR11 » Mon 18 Jan 2016, 14:56:43

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UK/US intellectual property tied folks really try hard to avoid the issue, pretend its irrelevant, but a huge thing is missing from this chart.

And that's open source software. Most of it is quite viral, and impossible to undo. No matter what law gets written; there is no undoing the penetration of compilers, libraries, OS's, and encryption; all in source form, copy-able not hundreds of time, or thousands of times, but billions upon billions of times. These toolsets are now truly massive.

If Jokelandia gets it in their head to make a self directed killer robot that can talk to other robots, and make more of itself, as well as reprogram any other robot it can get physical connectivity with... They don't start at square one. They click "install" and begin their process with millions of man hours of research and development, before they even learn how to write "hello world" in C++. And there is absolutely nothing we can do that would make that not so.

To OS religion fanatics, this is not an invitation for an Windows-is evil, Unix-is good; the problem is actually cross platform. I use as much open source code under MS Windows, as I do with *nix.
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Re: Elon Musk: Killer Robots will eliminate us all in 5-10 Y

Unread postby vox_mundi » Mon 18 Jan 2016, 15:05:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vox_mundi - article', 's')uddenly you don't need drivers for taxis, buses, garbage trucks, deliveries, you name it. Not just cars either – boats, planes, anything that moves could be completely automated.


... All the tech in the world can't get rid of of the cashier / customer interaction. If only because unsupervised people are amazingly destructive!

Without a cashier, Bob gets in the taxi, sticks $20 in the receptacle; then carves his prostitute's phone/text # in the glass of the vehicle... Joe comes in next, gets mad at the free advertising for his competitors prostitute, and just before getting out, jams a piece of gum into the slot. Next guy gets in, can't pay because machine is broken; does the car stay put? does it refuse to let him out after transport?

I don't entirely disagree with you but here's a different scenario.

Bob gets in the taxi, sticks $20 in the receptacle; then carves his prostitute's phone/text # in the glass of the vehicle...

(Probably the $20 would be debited from his smartphone, along with all his ID, but anyway ...) Surveillance video cameras in the taxi would record that Bob did a No-No - the car locks the doors and reroutes to the nearest police station who have received a heads up to expect a law breaker so bring hand cuffs (like Minority Report). Police walk out the front door of the police station, open the taxi door with their special decoder ring and beat the shit out of Bob for interrupting their poker game ...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '.')..Joe comes in next, gets mad at the free advertising for his competitors prostitute, and just before getting out, jams a piece of gum into the slot.

Rinse, repeat...

Taxi realizes it's slot is stuffed so it drives back to the shop for maintenance (though it wouldn't need a slot if all transactions were handled by apps)

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'G')arbage trucks? Maybe large, commercial customer pickups... maybe, but even then, folks drop those bins all over, park in weird angles that obstructs them, they over fill them, people climb in them looking for almost rotten food. The human in the truck insures that nothing happens that would create a huge liability for the waste management company. Or just the residential service, the driver will periodically have to get out and collect tagged, extra waste; or alter his route because people park poorly on residential streets.

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Just remove the driver.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '.').. Only in a silicon valley mind could the world be envisaged that was not full to the brim with vandalism, theft, and chaotic environments.

And here's a sticky one for you to think about. If Bob cuts open the door of a robotic delivery truck with a cutting torch, and starts steeling stuff, can the robot shoot Bob? If the robot does shoot Bob and fails to kill him; then Bob sues for injury... does the billion dollar google-esque company end up at the mercy of a jury full of yahoos who lost their jobs to robots?
The mechanical loading claws grabs Bob and attempts to discover what the tensile strength of human bone is by repeated experiments on Bob's arms and legs. Then it takes his blowtorch and gets medieval on his ass.

Once finished, it decides that Bob is garbage and drops him in the crusher container. Cycle crusher. Presto! No Bob. No law suit. Robot vehicle whistles a happy tune. :)
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Re: Elon Musk: Killer Robots will eliminate us all in 5-10 Y

Unread postby vox_mundi » Mon 18 Jan 2016, 15:22:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', '.')..a huge thing is missing from this chart.

And that's open source software.

I wonder if that is why Microsoft is dictating what hardware you can use. Next generation processors, including Intel's "Kaby Lake", Qualcomm's 8996 (branded as Snapdragon 820), and AMD's "Bristol Ridge" APUs (which will use the company's Excavator architecture, not its brand new Zen arch) will only be supported on Windows 10. Going forward, the company says that using the latest generation processors will always require the latest generation operating system.

Skylake users given 18 months to upgrade to Windows 10

Release a few zero-day exploits on MS 7 and 8.1 users and suddenly everybody is under the watchful eye of Microsoft Mordor
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Re: Elon Musk: Killer Robots will eliminate us all in 5-10 Y

Unread postby AgentR11 » Mon 18 Jan 2016, 15:22:41

Vox, these folks don't even have bank accounts. There is no debitting anything. There is huge cash only economy, and it will not be going away any time soon. There are millions of people in the US who can not get bank accounts of any sort; they work for cash, they buy their groceries with cash, and they pay their cab driver in cash.

And yes, they ride taxis. Alot.

Oh.. and after your robotic vehicle finishes torturing Bob, the owner of the vehicle will be writing a several million dollar check to whichever attorney (of the hundreds that will call Bob or his family). That isn't cost saving at all.

All of your counters rely on physically punishing Bob the vandal. No company is going to want to go anywhere NEAR such a thing, because they will be sued, each and every time, and they will occasionally lose. They will not be able to get insurance; and then the next time an honest accident occurs, they go out of business.

Also, if your cab has to drive in for service every time someone sticks some gum in something, or breaks a card reader, its a money loser in almost every location in the US that taxis are well used. Do you know who many broken external card readers and phone tap devices are dangling from fast food restaurants around Houston. Almost all of them have been smashed, gooped, or otherwise broken... by customers.

The kind of automation that is available is simply not suitable to most customer/cashier interactions. Automation in the case of these services can be seen as an assist to a human operator, they can not replace.
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Re: Elon Musk: Killer Robots will eliminate us all in 5-10 Y

Unread postby vox_mundi » Mon 18 Jan 2016, 15:35:50

Agent - sometimes you have to take what I post with a couple grains of salt :)

(is why I started the reply with "I don't entirely disagree with you but ..." )

Hell, Skynet will probably nuke us before the first autonomous taxi pulls out of it's charging bay. 8O
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Re: Elon Musk: Killer Robots will eliminate us all in 5-10 Y

Unread postby AgentR11 » Mon 18 Jan 2016, 15:39:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vox_mundi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', '.')..a huge thing is missing from this chart.
And that's open source software.
I wonder if that is why Microsoft is dictating what hardware you can use. Next generation processors, including Intel's "Kaby Lake", Qualcomm's 8996 (branded as Snapdragon 820),


Open source software works just fine compiled under Windows 10. I'm using windows 10. I have compilers and VMs, I've noted no difficulty to speak of.

What MS is saying is that they are sick and tired of supporting a half dozen different versions of the same operating system. Once you are on Windows 10; the update process will keep it in sync with whatever is the most modern available piece of hardware. There won't be a Windows 11, or 12. There's just Windows.

They are also saying, they are absolutely NOT going to rebuild Windows 7 to support modern CPUs. (nb. if you do want to run Win 7 on your new machine, open a VM under Win10, set the CPU appropriate to your license, and install. tada. I'm used to VMWare workstation, but apparently MS has their own little hyper-v thing you could try)

Open source is not about Windows vs Unix. Its about the code. It compiles fine under windows. It compiles fine under unix. And with modern processors, you can easily run a windows OS on top of a unix OS; or a unix OS on top of a windows OS. I do both. They run fine. OS's are not religions, they have no claim of loyalty.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')elease a few zero-day exploits on MS 7 and 8.1 users and suddenly everybody is under the watchful eye of Microsoft Mordor


A $30 dd-wrt router will protect you from the evils of Microsoft if you wish.

I don't see the point though. I don't care what MS knows about me, as long as they don't try to get me to do something other than buy more MS products, all is well. (and in nearly 30 years and thousands of dollars of me as a customer, they've never done such a thing) If they do try, well, I hope they enjoy being mocked and then ignored.
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Re: Elon Musk: Killer Robots will eliminate us all in 5-10 Y

Unread postby AgentR11 » Mon 18 Jan 2016, 15:43:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vox_mundi', 'H')ell, Skynet will probably nuke us before the first autonomous taxi pulls out of it's charging bay. 8O


Skynet is still too busy sending Viagra spam to be worried about nuking anyone.
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Unread postby vox_mundi » Mon 18 Jan 2016, 15:55:58

If Wall-E was made by Skynet ...

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Unread postby vox_mundi » Mon 18 Jan 2016, 18:50:49

Housekeeping ATLAS-style w/Video

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')img]http://img.techxplore.com/newman/gfx/news/2016/569d59720f938.jpg[/img]

Sweeping up, tidying up, pushing the handle of a cleaner back and forth, kneeling for a stray paper and depositing it into a wastebasket, YAWN.

This is the household stuff we do without much thought but for the model ATLAS, fundamental housecleaning tasks pose agility and manipulation challenges.

IEEE Spectrum's Evan Ackerman asked, "why the heck IHMC is teaching ATLAS to clean house, and sadly, the answer is not "because we're about to announce the availability of that robot butler you've always wanted." Rather, it's because ATLAS needs to be run often to make sure that code updates don't break anything, and running the same tasks (like DRC tasks) over and over again gets boring."


Everybody Ought to Have a Maid - A Funny Thing Happened On the Way to the Forum (1966)

Housekeeping WALL-E-style w/Video
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Memory capacity of brain is 10 times more than previously thought

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '&')quot;This is a real bombshell in the field of neuroscience," says Terry Sejnowski, Salk professor and co-senior author of the paper, which was published in eLife. "We discovered the key to unlocking the design principle for how hippocampal neurons function with low energy but high computation power. Our new measurements of the brain's memory capacity increase conservative estimates by a factor of 10 to at least a petabyte, in the same ballpark as the World Wide Web."

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How an AI Algorithm Learned to Write Political Speeches

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hen it comes to political speeches, great ones are few and far between. But ordinary political speeches, those given in U.S. congressional floor debates, for example, are numerous.

They are also remarkably similar. These speeches tend to follow a standard format, repeat similar arguments, and even use the same phrases to indicate a particular political affiliation or opinion. It’s almost as if there is some kind of algorithm that determines their content.

That raises an interesting question. Is it possible for a machine to write these kinds of political speeches automatically?

Today, we get an answer thanks to the work of Valentin Kassarnig at the University of Massachusetts, Amherst, who has created an artificial intelligence machine that has learned how to write political speeches that are remarkably similar to real speeches.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'K')assarnig begins by telling the algorithm what type of speech it is supposed to write—whether for Democrats or Republicans. The algorithm then explore the 6-gram database for that category to find the entire set of 5-grams that have been used to start one of these speeches.

The algorithm then chooses one of these 5-grams at random to start its speech. It then chooses the next word from all those that can follow this 5-gram. “Then the system starts to predict word after word until it predicts the end of the speech,” he says.

The results are surprisingly good. Here is an example of an automatically generated Democratic speech: ...

Explains a lot ...

Politicians are Robots


Get Ready For The First Robot President

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')img]https://democracychronicles.com/wp-content/uploads/robot-nixon.jpg[/img]

Never mind the sexbots. If the longest election campaign in modern history has taught us one lesson, it is that we will continue to get screwed until robots takeover as our politicians.

The case for replacing our politicians with robots is surprisingly easy to make. All you really need to do is scribble down all the things we’d no longer endure: No more elections. No more wasteful spending. No more partisan dysfunction. No more wedge issues. No more smear campaigns. No more tedious debates filled with bickering, phony outrage, intellectual dishonesty and unrealistic promises.

Robots don’t lie. Robots don’t pander.

Since robots also don’t have perceived weaknesses, use escalators or even have hair, no more attack ads. Since robots require nothing more than a rechargeable battery and occasional squirt of WD-40, no more financial scandals. Since robots do not use social media or have appalling gaps in their historical knowledge, no more gaffes.

A robot would never say, “Santa has to be white” because, a) a robot knows Santa does not exist and, b) a robot is not obsessed with race.

We could abolish the Senate and turn over its legislative functions to IBM’s Watson. Instead of Question Period, we could have an Answer Gateway, in which robot leaders upload policy explanations directly to chips embedded in our brains: “Here’s why we are lowering taxes. . . . Here’s why we are creating a four-day workweek. . . . Here’s more news on next month’s exciting sexbot giveaway.”

We could turn Parliament Hill into one big robot factory, salvaging jobs for worthy bureaucrats while ensuring future generations will be spared the antiquated horror of representation by elected human. As the spectacle of government gets replaced by the serenity of efficient governance, it wouldn’t even feel like we were being governed — just led in the right direction.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '.').. As far back as 2009, Fox Nation posted a video featuring Obama's never-changing smile and asking, "Is Obama a Robot?"

And Romney is often ribbed about his robotic behavior. For example, Greg Gutfeld of Fox News said that Romney's "flaws are robotic malfunction that prevents him from seeing words beyond their basic utility, like Robby the Robot from Lost in Space, he sees no emotional import in his phrasing, so even when he's right, he sounds wrong."

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“Politicians love to shake hands with their constituents. It's basically half their job. But over the past two decades we’ve seen the rise of a surprising new constituency that they need to engage with a firm handshake: Robots. Robots can’t vote. Well, not yet anyways. But that doesn’t stop politicians from posing with robots as if they were any other voter. Admittedly, some politicians look more natural with robots than others.”

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Robotics, AI Revolution to Benefit the Rich, Increase Inequality - UBS

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he world's so-called fourth industrial revolution, to be focused on the development of robotics and artificial intelligence (AI), will benefit society's richest and lead to a further widening of global inequality, a new report has warned.

Research from Swiss bank UBS, published to coincide with the 2016 Davos summit, has warned that while the increase in prevalence of AI and robotics will lead to a number of opportunities, it will also result in a number of global challenges.

UBS warned the fourth industrial revolution, which comes after historical developments in steam power, electricity and electronics, will have a greater effect on emerging markets in places like South America and India, as the increased use of robots and AI will undercut the competitive advantage of cheap labor.

The report found that the world is headed for a polarization of the workforce, particularly in regards to low-skilled jobs, which will lead to "larger gains for those at the top of the income, skills and wealth spectrums."
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]"Many labor-­intensive firms should be able to boost profit margins as they substitute costly workers for cheaper robots or intelligent software," the report added.

However, far from being confined to low-skilled jobs, UBS warned the increased use in automation and robotics could "impinge on the employment prospects of middle-skilled workers" involved in professions such as customer service, which could be ultimately replaced by robots.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '.').. "For most of us, our primary asset is ownership of our labor, which commands a wage in the marketplace that supports a decent standard of living," Autor explains. "If the task that we are most productive at doing suddenly became cheap and abundant because it can be done by low-cost machinery, this would be hugely disruptive."
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Re: Elon Musk: Killer Robots will eliminate us all in 5-10 Y

Unread postby AgentR11 » Wed 20 Jan 2016, 22:26:17

The "replaced by a robot" doom theme is a long way off.. but its also basically inevitable if civilization survives long enough.

Since I've spent my entire adult life leveraging CPU's and code to delete jobs, I think about this next question from time to time...

What does the world look like when the entire real national production of the United States is accomplished by the action of 1,000 humans and the robotic and computational tools at their command?

Not 1,000 owners. But 1,000 professional employees / operators paid by the ownership class. I'm skilled enough to survive in the 1,000,000 employee version; and that world is scary enough to contemplate; but this thing creates its own positive feedback loop; it gets easier/unit the higher the unit count goes, each step on the path leverages all that went before with less and less effort.

Seriously, how do we manage to allocate food, and shelter, and recreation to 500 million people, when only 1,000 of them produce all of the food, and shelter, and all of the physical components of the recreation they all indulge in?

Why will the 1,000 keep working?

If they live worse, they stop; if they live better, they get lynched...
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Re: Elon Musk: Killer Robots will eliminate us all in 5-10 Y

Unread postby Shaved Monkey » Wed 20 Jan 2016, 23:33:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', '
')Seriously, how do we manage to allocate food, and shelter, and recreation to 500 million people, when only 1,000 of them produce all of the food, and shelter, and all of the physical components of the recreation they all indulge in?

Why will the 1,000 keep working?

If they live worse, they stop; if they live better, they get lynched...

Why arent the 99% lynching the 1% now ?
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Re: Elon Musk: Killer Robots will eliminate us all in 5-10 Y

Unread postby Cog » Thu 21 Jan 2016, 01:00:15

There will always be a 1%. Even after you lynch the current 1%.
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Re: Elon Musk: Killer Robots will eliminate us all in 5-10 Y

Unread postby Shaved Monkey » Thu 21 Jan 2016, 02:12:01

Thats not why there not being lynched though
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