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Re: America's self destructive Whites

Unread postby Cog » Mon 04 Jan 2016, 14:25:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', 'W')hat about a Universal culture, where we see each other as one/one human family. Is it too late for that? Was that ever even possible?


My family goes to work everyday, pays their taxes, and has a basic respect for the law. There are sizable demographics who do none of those things. They aren't my family and I don't consider some of them even human beings.

You want to know why the average joe is pissed off? He has been lied to by career politicians. He sees a large percentage of the population who only consumes without producing, and he is tired of being blamed for all the ills of every special snowflake group that has a grudge against white males.
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Re: America's self destructive Whites

Unread postby MonteQuest » Mon 04 Jan 2016, 14:50:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', 'I') don't embrace a multicultural future at all. Balkanization is evil.


Balkanization? Where'd you get that notion? Multicultural just what you envision; the incorporation of ideas, beliefs and people from many different countries and cultural backgrounds. Equal respect without discrimination.
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Re: America's self destructive Whites

Unread postby MonteQuest » Mon 04 Jan 2016, 15:19:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'H')e sees a large percentage of the population who only consumes without producing, and he is tired of being blamed for all the ills of every special snowflake group that has a grudge against white males.


Who is this group of which you speak? Who gets a govt check or food stamps and just sits on his butt? The 47% ers?
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Unread postby onlooker » Mon 04 Jan 2016, 15:27:14

I prefer the bottom photo!
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Re: America's self destructive Whites

Unread postby AgentR11 » Mon 04 Jan 2016, 15:28:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', 'E')qual respect without discrimination.


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Re: America's self destructive Whites

Unread postby MonteQuest » Mon 04 Jan 2016, 15:40:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', 'E')qual respect without discrimination.


Separate or distinct can never be equal.


Where did I say anything about separate and distinct? Please elaborate on what you mean.
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Re: America's self destructive Whites

Unread postby MonteQuest » Mon 04 Jan 2016, 16:00:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', ' ')I just can't get over how much Sanders and Trump are addressing the same basic problems, just from opposite ends of the spectrum.


To an extent. Trump seems to be tapping into angry white, uneducated racists, bigots, xenophobes, homophobes, and misogynists for his support. Those folks aren't on Bernie's side to any degree measurable.

What I think both camps have is an ignorance of the workings of government and what elected leaders can achieve in a divided Congress in a divided country without a super majority.
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Re: America's self destructive Whites

Unread postby AgentR11 » Mon 04 Jan 2016, 16:19:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', 'E')qual respect without discrimination.

Separate or distinct can never be equal.

Where did I say anything about separate and distinct? Please elaborate on what you mean.


Multiculturalism asserts a coexistence ethic. Where the African guy wears the round hat, and the Chinese girl has the Mao uniform, and the Anglo Scottsman in the kilt, and they all tolerate/respect/whatever "the other". I think this is corrosive. It attaches some ownership of a piece of foreign culture based on the pre-immigration source of a particular human that has likely never been or been a part of that foreign culture. I don't think this is a good goal, and I don't think it can ever encourage equality or peaceful harmony. I simply do not accept the existence of "the other". There is no "other"; there is only human, and in the cultural context, the goal should not be to have a government that rules over thirty different, distinct, separate cultures; but rather a single culture that is NOT a copy or even simple combination of foreign cultures should be encouraged and pursued as the goal. Not an Anglo culture, not a Nigerian culture, not an Indian(Asian) culture. An American culture, top to bottom. This does not imply everyone dresses the same, it does imply that no particular human has any greater or lesser claim to any facet of that indigenous culture based upon who their parents were or where their great great grandparents came from.

Put simply. From my philosophical point of view, racism and multiculturalism are both evils of near equal magnitude and they both need deleting from human thought.
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Re: America's self destructive Whites

Unread postby Pops » Mon 04 Jan 2016, 16:23:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', 'T')hose folks aren't on Bernie's side to any degree measurable.

They are reacting to the reality that coronating either Jeb¡ or HC would be perpetuating the same corrupt system that has enabled trickle-up to cut their legs out from under.

No doubt they have different ideological knee-jerks, but I think everyone senses that "we" are no longer in control.
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Re: America's self destructive Whites

Unread postby onlooker » Mon 04 Jan 2016, 16:31:53

Agent, you seem to think this can still happen perhaps. Well if the US can "integrate" everyone into one why not the planet. I agree with your basic points, we need to see each other as the same as human. Well are not those who live outside our boundaries also human. Now I understand as an actual practical matter it is too late for that, certain regions seem destined for die-off and the US cannot take in everybody. So I take it that you simply do not include everyone else because of this real world reality and not because somehow others in other places cannot integrate all things being equal.
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Re: America's self destructive Whites

Unread postby MonteQuest » Mon 04 Jan 2016, 16:34:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', ' ')There is no "other"; there is only human, and in the cultural context, the goal should not be to have a government that rules over thirty different, distinct, separate cultures; but rather a single culture that is NOT a copy or even simple combination of foreign cultures should be encouraged and pursued as the goal.


That stew takes time to make, as we have seen from the diversity of immigrants early in the US history blending into a rich cultural diversity of Americans. For most of history, that diversity was dominated by whites. That will soon not be the case. So, I 'm not sure what you are driving at.

But a mono culture borne of this diversity that is unique? Might as well try to get all the animals on the Ark to be Zebras for the voyage.
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Re: America's self destructive Whites

Unread postby MonteQuest » Mon 04 Jan 2016, 16:40:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'T')hey are reacting to the reality that coronating either Jeb¡ or HC would be perpetuating the same corrupt system that has enabled trickle-up to cut their legs out from under.


But, unless someone grants them dictatorial power, they still have the same system of checks and balances to deal with. The system isn't changing unless we abolish or amend the Constitution and change the rules that cause Congressional gridlock. Bernie needs a revolution behind him to govern. Trump needs to be crowned King to govern.
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Re: America's self destructive Whites

Unread postby AgentR11 » Mon 04 Jan 2016, 16:53:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'S')o you agree then Agent. We should all speak, dress, act, and look alike?


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Re: America's self destructive Whites

Unread postby MonteQuest » Mon 04 Jan 2016, 16:59:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'N')o doubt they have different ideological knee-jerks, but I think everyone senses that "we" are no longer in control.


No, the plutocrats and oligarchs are in control. Americans are now beginning to pay the price for sleeping through history classes, ignoring important information in the alternative media and neglecting to participate in their own political process. Apathy is no longer an adequate term of description for the steady erosion of the public’s involvement in the political life of the United States where only a third even bother to vote.

The reality that many fail to realize is that the reason why people don’t vote is not because they are extremely busy, politically illiterate, or because they can’t find the polling booth, but because there is a widespread conviction that politics simply do not matter and that most institutions have little bearing on their lives. It is widely feared that the world is out of control and there is little that human beings can do to master these developments or influence their destiny. The result is a form of oligarchic politics that is precisely the goal of the ruling elite—who always votes. They have mastered their influence on their destiny. We have ignored ours; and do so at our own peril.

Arise a demagogue like Trump who says he can fix it by sheer will. Bernie by revolution.
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Re: America's self destructive Whites

Unread postby Pops » Mon 04 Jan 2016, 17:05:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', 'B')ut, unless someone grants them dictatorial power, they still have the same system of checks and balances to deal with.

That's kinda my point, if both "sides" decided they are being played against each other by the ownership and that the typical representative isn't representing, things can change. Pretty obviously Rs are unhappy, Ds not so much in general, yet.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')ccording to the [AP] poll, 68 percent of those questioned said wealthy households pay too little in federal taxes; only 11 percent said the wealthy pay too much.

Also, 60 percent said middle-class households pay too much in federal taxes, while 7 percent said they paid too little.

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Re: America's self destructive Whites

Unread postby AgentR11 » Mon 04 Jan 2016, 17:08:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'B')ut you did say it.


Nope. In fact I said the EXACT opposite.
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Re: America's self destructive Whites

Unread postby Cog » Mon 04 Jan 2016, 18:39:39

Collectivism is the greatest threat to individual freedom and liberty that the world has ever known. Sift through the graves of the millions of dead and you will find a communist or leftist in the ashes.
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