[onlooker]

It is maddening Tanada because their were several options for a smooth transition and most of us here reluctantly are conceding that those opportunities for a smooth transition are gone.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', ' ')I agree with your first sentence, but there are viable regional RE substitutes like hydro both large scale and small scale.

[onlooker]

Yes I think it is helpful to have a big picture outlook. Our solutions where they exist seem now to exacerbate some other factor or circumstance. That is because we are so far into overshoot in terms of population numbers and unrenewable resources as well as the entire layout and infrastructure of the world economy. In fact we are even stressing renewable resources in the manner we do things and because of high population numbers. All roads at this point seem to be leading to a "correction" die-off.

[onlooker]

Great reply on Hydro P, I also have read the same.

[Tanada]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'T')anada, hydro is a mixed blessing. While it grants people comfort in the short term, it degrades local ecosystems, fisheries, agriculture and community. It is the first step in industrialization and consumerism and control by big government and big business. In the long run (decades, a century) the dam reservoir silts up.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')rofessor K. Mahmood of George Washington University in Washington, DC, "roughly estimated" for a 1987 World Bank study that around 50 cubic kilometres of sediment – nearly one per cent of global reservoir storage capacity – is trapped behind the world’s dams every year. In total, calculated Mahmood, by 1986 around 1,100 cubic kilometres of sediment had accumulated in the world’s reservoirs, consuming almost one–fifth of global storage capacity.

[Keith_McClary]

I posted a paper on dredging in the Hydropower after peak oil thread.

[Revi]

I live in a state with a lot of hydropower, but it isn't going to be enough to power the rest of New England. We are going to have to..................Use..................Less...............Power!

[onlooker]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', 'I') live in a state with a lot of hydropower, but it isn't going to be enough to power the rest of New England. We are going to have to..................Use..................Less...............Power!

[ennui2]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', 'I') live in a state with a lot of hydropower, but it isn't going to be enough to power the rest of New England. We are going to have to..................Use..................Less...............Power!

[onlooker]

True Ennui nothing gets done without critical mass.

[ennui2]

I know Revi is trying to start his transition movement again. I wish him luck with that. More constructive than shaking fists over TPTB on a worldsend.

[careinke]

I've been toying with the idea of installing a seasonal micro hydro system on our property. I have a lot of water management infrastructure I need to put in. Water management is my main goal this year.

[Revi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ennui2', 'I') know Revi is trying to start his transition movement again. I wish him luck with that. More constructive than shaking fists over TPTB on a worldsend.

[ennui2]

Up in Maine people treat wood like it's an unlimited resource. We all know that wood is not sustainable if you burn it beyond the rate of replacement. The Northeast was deforested before the oil-age when the population here was a fraction of what it is now. It really goes fast when you lean on it for everything.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', 'L')ike a passing hurricane, this “eye of the storm” in gas and oil prices is setting us up for an even more painful energy crisis in the very near future. We must consider that, should oil prices and demand remain low for an extended period, new investment in oil production — not to mention renewables — will fall to such an extent that, with worldwide depletion of existing fields at 6.7 percent a year, there simply will not be enough new oil, or oil replacement energy, to power an economic recovery.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'M')onte, Hamilton predicted price oscillation rather than single economic depression.

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '
')What policy tool is left besides demand destruction (economic depression)? We drank the water to prime the pump.

[Revi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ennui2', 'U')p in Maine people treat wood like it's an unlimited resource. We all know that wood is not sustainable if you burn it beyond the rate of replacement. The Northeast was deforested before the oil-age when the population here was a fraction of what it is now. It really goes fast when you lean on it for everything.