[ennui2]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'I') said et. al. China is a rhetorical device for demand destruction. But we have been through that one hundred time above. Do you really want to another round? It's tiring ennui.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ennui2', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '
')Your dismissal of the 2008 demand destruction, is like saying the oil embargo wasn't the reason behind the oil shortage & gas rationing.

[ralfy]

When it comes to a global economy that involves capitalism and competition, a glut is the excess of production that is no longer needed by a world population that has a growing global middle class:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-22956470

which will require at least an additional earth.

That means such production should be able to provide an increase of at least 2 Mb/d per annum easily at very low costs, with no need for shale, gas, biofuels, etc.

[ennui2]

A glut represents the situation in the present tense. Nothing more, nothing less. It makes no claims for how long that glut can last.

It's like measuring the earth's carrying capacity vs. population. The math is constantly changing in an ominous way, but for now, we're not dying off.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ennui2', 'I')t's like measuring the earth's carrying capacity vs. population. The math is constantly changing in an ominous way, but for now, we're not dying off.

[Revi]

I think we may be reaching the top of the population peak. The projections for 10 billion people may not happen. We are going to have a very hard time feeding everyone on the planet now. How is it going to be possible to keep that many people fed, clothed and housed?

[tlowellb]

It will take a different conciusness than that which is prevalent if it is possible.

[ennui2]

It's gonna get increasingly soylent-green-ish. Factory farming is already very soylent-greenish when you think about it. Pink slime and all.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink_slime

We'll probably have a push to culturally accept eating insects next.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/ ... ure-report

Of course, the idea that we might, ya know, have less kids, will be left out of the discussion. It will all about just adapting our attitudes for the sake of the planet, that we're not entitled to be repulsed by the slippery slope.

[AdamB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', 'A') few Sundays ago, "60 Minutes'" Steve Kroft asked President-elect Barack Obama if the astonishing drop in gas and oil prices made dealing with energy issues "less important." Obama responded forcefully: "It makes it more important."

Like a passing hurricane, this “eye of the storm” in gas and oil prices is setting us up for an even more painful energy crisis in the very near future.

[Revi]

It's going to be the time for a road trip, because next summer might not be so great. I think we are seeing a monster recession coming at us, and a lot of us will be riding shank's mare next year...

[Lore]

Forget the old mare, I'm thinking of building Daryl's bike from the Walking Dead.

[AdamB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', 'I')t's going to be the time for a road trip, because next summer might not be so great.

[EdwinSm]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AdamB', 'S')o 2017 looks good for some road tripping as well. And affordable even in an SUV no less!

[ennui2]

In a time of limited employment AND cheap commodities, the best adaptation is communal living arrangements. In other words, a family or other unit where only one person brings home the bacon and others work in the informal economy of doing all the chores around the house (to avoid looking like freeloaders).

The reason this works is that the amount of take-home pay required to pay for basic necessities isn't that high, and so it's possible for one person to feed a bunch. Self-esteem becomes the main reason why everyone of working age would want to work, not survival.

The main sting of cost of living isn't from food or energy. Besides rent/mortgage, it's things like health-care and higher-education. That's why these have become political issues. These two also don't fit very well into the narrative of peak-oil doom. If anything, they are anathema, as doomers go off to the boonies to live on herbal remedies and home-school and don't see the value of college. But in the real world, these things ARE important.

[AdamB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EdwinSm', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AdamB', 'S')o 2017 looks good for some road tripping as well. And affordable even in an SUV no less!