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Re: Vegans #1 Cause of Silly Headlines

Postby SeaGypsy » Fri 28 Aug 2015, 08:11:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sparky', '.')
.....Vegan girls taste better

In my 20 odd years as a vegan I was often told it's mutual ;)
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Re: Vegans #1 Cause of Silly Headlines

Postby Tanada » Tue 29 Dec 2015, 07:53:52

Darn those facts, they are such pesky things!

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')s stated perfectly in 1995 in the journal Current Anthropology:

“The incorporation of increasingly greater amounts of animal products into the diet was essential in the development of the large human brain.”

Yet so-called health experts continue to recommend and promote meat-free diets?

Realistically, there shouldn’t be a ‘debate’ with information like this. As even if it was possible to manufacture a plant-based diet with adequate amounts of DHA, B12, iron, fat-soluble vitamins, and essential amino acids, it doesn’t change the fact that we’re supposed to eat meat. And this is what prompted the transition from an ape with a large metabolically expensive gut to a more intelligent human with a big fat-fueled brain.

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Re: Vegans #1 Cause of Silly Headlines

Postby onlooker » Tue 29 Dec 2015, 08:14:15

Two points in defense of the Vegan diet. First does anybody dispute that plant food is loaded with vitamins-minerals and many phytochemicals. Second, that they help maintain the body in alkaline state which is widely considered a state less conducive to disease development than acidic state.
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Re: Vegans #1 Cause of Silly Headlines

Postby Tanada » Tue 29 Dec 2015, 08:31:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', 'T')wo points in defense of the Vegan diet. First does anybody dispute that plant food is loaded with vitamins-minerals and many phytochemicals. Second, that they help maintain the body in alkaline state which is widely considered a state less conducive to disease development than acidic state.


First phytochemicals by definition come from plants so that is a circular argument. Second most vitamins with the notable exception of Vitamin C are fat soluble and therefor are much more available in animal products than most plant products. Notable exceptions would be in fruits like Avocado and Olives and in the nuts like Walnuts which are rich in vitamins. I am an omnivore, whether you think this is by design or evolution or some combination it is still a fundamental fact. My biological machinery is designed to operate optimally on a mixture of plant and animal foods, though I can survive on just one or the other exclusively for some time if necessary.

In my honest opinion Veganism as in the strict avoidance of all animal products is an attempt to deny there are an excess of humans on the planet. Saying we could all survive on an animal free diet is just a way to avoid the fact that omnivores thrive on a mixed diet with a ratio somewhere around 50/50 between plant and animal sources. The old fashion Vegetarian patterns that held sway until the last 20 years or so where the diet had many animal products in the dairy/egg categories or the addition of Fish, or both has been demonstrated to be well balanced enough to promote good health. The more extreme Vegan standards require a great deal of effort to ensure all the necessary vitamins and minerals are present in the diet, usually with the addition of artificially produced vitamin and mineral supplements. To get a wide enough spectrum of plant foods to cover all health needs the food has to be transported very long distances during the 'off season'. Not a lot of plant foods growing outside in the winter/wet/dry season depending on your local climate.
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Re: Vegans #1 Cause of Silly Headlines

Postby onlooker » Tue 29 Dec 2015, 09:04:39

I would have to somewhat agree in so much as the so called Paleolithic diet consisting of plant food interspersed occasionally with meat was basically our diet for over a million years or at least that of hominids very similar to us. I would add though that the argument for Phytochemicals is I believe valid in so much as I have never heard or read of meats containing anywhere near as many beneficial compounds and chemicals as plant food. As for the argument of fat soluble well the body to some degree does produce its own fat/cholesterol.
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Re: Vegans #1 Cause of Silly Headlines

Postby Cog » Tue 29 Dec 2015, 09:04:54

Women that eat meat are better in bed. That pretty much solves my decision making process about whether veganism is better.
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Re: Vegans #1 Cause of Silly Headlines

Postby Subjectivist » Tue 29 Dec 2015, 09:42:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', 'I') would have to somewhat agree in so much as the so called Paleolithic diet consisting of plant food interspersed occasionally with meat was basically our diet for over a million years or at least that of hominids very similar to us. I would add though that the argument for Phytochemicals is I believe valid in so much as I have never heard or read of meats containing anywhere near as many beneficial compounds and chemicals as plant food. As for the argument of fat soluble well the body to some degree does produce its own fat/cholesterol.


Fat soluble means the vitamins are dissolved in the fat. When you avoid eating the fat you avoid eating those vitamins as well, and some kinds of fat humans do not produce, like the Omega 3 fats in fish and flax seeds. Because you have never heard of the benefits of eating meats I presume you have never read anything from the Weston Price institute where they have been doing nutritional studies for close to 100 years.

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Re: Vegans #1 Cause of Silly Headlines

Postby Tanada » Fri 20 May 2016, 11:35:12

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Re: Vegans #1 Cause of Silly Headlines

Postby Outcast_Searcher » Fri 20 May 2016, 12:06:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'h')ttps://youtu.be/z0O_VYcsIk8

Hilarious and really hits the spot on what is so annoying about the "aggressive" vegan types, IMO.

This reminds me of the sign I loved so much that showed up in a liquor store window when the law banning smoking in restaurants and bars showed up in my city year's back:

"Smokers welcome. Nonsmokers welcome. Fascists not welcome."

(And I know, meat eating isn't banned (yet) -- BUT many aggressive vegans would love to have it banned if they could get away with it.)

(As a nonsmoker, it seemed to me that having a rule where a sign needs to be clearly posted on whether each restaurant is smoking or nonsmoking would do the trick. (Oh, and then SERIOUS escalating fines for allowing smoking in the posted non-smoking restaurants). That way most bars could be smoking, and chains could have both smoking and nonsmoking stores -- and smokers and nonsmokers (but not anti-smoking fascists) would have a solution they could live with. Clearly being reasonable and seeking compromise makes me unqualified for politics).

But no, since the majority of people are nonsmokers, they banned it in all bars and restaurants since only their own opinion mattered to them. And typical of results from politicians, the fines are so small (and they don't escalate) that many bars just ignore the law and pay the fine as a cost of doing business. So the law ends up just being a shakedown (and boo-hoo for the fascists).
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Re: Vegans #1 Cause of Silly Headlines

Postby Newfie » Fri 20 May 2016, 12:47:34

I've thought of starting a thread titled

HUMANIST ARE THE #1 CAUSE OF MISERY.

or alternatively

THE REVELRY OF CHICKEN COOP EARTH.

it seems some folks, despite these seeming understanding of the issues, can not wrap their head around the idea this is not fixable with anything like the current population. So they lament all that is wrong and anything that could fix it. Always looking for someone else to blame.

Thus we waddle relentlessly forward over the cliff.
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