[SeaGypsy]

Plants study on Cannabis has holes you can drive a Mack through, but he calls it proof. Real proof without a massive project should be easy enough using approximate demographics. Across the USA, there are both very high & very low incidence of Cannabis use across certain regions. If the Harvard study wanted to back up their pseudo science, easy enough to put up stroke records & injuries by county. There is only one reason not to look into & publish this data in parallel- it doesn't fit the thesis.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'A')cross the USA, there are both very high & very low incidence of Cannabis use across certain regions…. easy enough to put up stroke records & injuries by county. There is only one reason not to look into & publish this data in parallel- it doesn't fit the thesis.

[C8]

Marijuana is going to become legal- but it is not the weed we knew in the 70's anymore. The chemicals are getting more refined and more potent- we are seeing very powerful cocktails hitting the market. Cookies, snacks, etc will all combine new processed ingredients not added in the past (snuck in "ingredients"). Its crazy to think MJ sellers won't imitate cigarette makers and find ways to make the experience more addicting. Cigarettes have over 500 different chemicals added to tobacco.

Capitalism changes every product- weed is going high tech and being marketed aggressively. Sellers want to expand market share and hook new customers for life. Those who thought legalization would just lead to hippies growing 70's pot at home were naive. This is going big business and pot will chemically change even more to become almost unrecognizable. Expect Phillip Morris to move in soon.

A nation of people increasingly drugged out is a dying nation- this is obvious no matter where you stand on legalization.

[SeaGypsy]

Also 'drugged up' is outsider bias stigma bs. Drugged up, I drive massive trucks on city freeways, carve logs into stuff with chainsaws & other powertools, blow glass & run a furnace, travel the world, complete courses at University, maintain a diverse & interesting bunch of friends, write 3 posts a day for 6 years here, all without feeling myself an emblem of society in decline. Get off your toffy nosed high horse.

[kanon]

I hope someone can put together the data on incarcerations, race, and marijuana possession. war-marijuana-black-and-white and Race_and_Prison. This will reveal the true motive for the OP concern over adverse health effects of marijuana, and it is not to help minority youth. When you consider the incessant partisanship of the plantagenet and the R party racism, it becomes more clear.

I researched this issue years ago and came to the conclusion that a host of special interests found the cannibis plant to be inconvenient, but it was the ability to use criminal marijuana possession against racial minorities and the lower classes that provided the modus operandi. At least we don't have to rely on "Reefer Madness" any more, since we now have this sophisticated study of a few subjects.

It would be a greater service to focus on the increase in opiate addiction following the restoration of the opium trade in Afganistan, but unfortunately it does not fit the partisan agenda.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kanon', 'I') hope someone can put together the data on incarcerations, race, and marijuana possession. ....This will reveal the true motive for the OP concern over adverse health effects of marijuana, and it is not to help minority youth. When you consider the incessant partisanship of the plantagenet .... racism, it becomes more clear.

[kanon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '
')Isn't it racist of you to pretend there is no risk of brain damage to minority youth who smoke pot when there actually is a risk of brain damage to minority youth?

Your fantasy that doctors and medical scientists in France and Australia and Germany and Sweden and other medical research facilities around the world who are conducting research on the harmful effects of marijuana are doing so in order to criminalize minorities in the US is really really silly.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kanon', '
')I do not doubt that marijuana use has some harmful effects, including brain damage

[SeaGypsy]

If you can show one pharmaceutical drug which is demonstrably safer than cannabis, I will eat your hat Planty. This tiny little study proves next to nothing & you know it.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'I')f you can show one pharmaceutical drug which is demonstrably safer than cannabis, I will eat your hat Planty.

[SeaGypsy]

Better Google your answers buddy. Depending where you look, at least thousands die in just the USA from aspirin every year. There are no certified deaths per year from cannabis. Fail.

[Plantagenet]

SG, you are absolutely right. I had no idea there was such a thing as aspirin poisoning. I stand corrected.

As they say in Japan---SHIMATA!!!! I have erred!

Looks like I'll have to put my ratty old doghair hat back in the storage box.

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However, I have to give you a fail on your claim that cannibis use isn't causing any deaths. While it is true that there are no known cases of mortality due to cannibis poisoning, the new research I discussed above showing that marijuana use causes brain damage, including the growth of plaque in the brain resulting in ischemic strokes means that some stroke victims die because of their cannabis use.

This is a new discovery, and yes it needs much more work, but the health implications may be enormous. Strokes, alzheimers, vascular dementia, mini-strokes, etc. all can be caused by the growth of plaque in the brain. Marijuana users may be at greater risk of all these serious medical problems due to their pot smoking.

Medical science is advancing rapidly thanks to the use of MRI imaging technology and other new technologies. I had an MRI a couple of years ago---the technology is fascinating.

Doctors can now see brain tissue and morphology very clearly in MRI images, and brain damage caused by marijuana use is one of the things they are seeing in pot smokers.

Cheers!

[kanon]

I just found out that the R party in Ohio is threatened with a referendum to legalize marijuana. Will Ohio vote for controversial marijuana legalization plan?. I just did not know this was on the ballot in Ohio. The initiative would create a "cannabis cultivation cartel" consisting of the financial sponsors of the initiative. I assume they are not tied to the R party because the R party has placed an initiative on the ballot to forbid the creation of a cartel through an initiative. Not only will the R's lose economic power, but the war on drugs will lose much of its effectiveness for incarcerating minorities. Actually the Ohio marijuana initiative is really interesting (and somewhat disturbing). I wonder if it is not a form of blowback from a center of R party corruption and malfeasance. I also wonder if the ensuing brain damage will be noticeable. I believe Ohio has become a center for pharmacuetical, fracking, and agricultural chemical pollution under the R party, so we may not be able to determine the actual cause of cognitive lapses.

[SeaGypsy]

Planty, in civilized countries people called Coroners, issue findings on deaths, no death certificate is yet to be issued with a Coroner's certificate of Cannabis as the cause. None, zero, zilch, nada. Hundreds of thousands of deaths are certified to have been caused by pharmaceuticals. Patents of epileptic children & cancer sufferers world wide are begging to be allowed compassionate use of cannabinoid medicine, & you site a tiny little study to contradict piles of more substantial studies showing cannabis can be of serious medical benefit. The fact you can't put up one statistic to back this tiny study & it's argument shows you are just pulling Anslinger's bandwagon, an outmoded cause if ever there was one.

[careinke]

On the topic of casual marijuana use, look what the Mexican supreme court just did.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')oday, in a 4 to 1 vote, Mexico’s Supreme Court ruled that the prohibition of the consumption and cultivation of marijuana for personal use is unconstitutional. The Court determined that the prohibition of the consumption of marijuana – and its cultivation for non-commercial ends – violates the human right to the free development of one’s personality. This landmark case could lead to the legalization of marijuana for recreational purposes if followed up with legislation.

[Plantagenet]

New study shows that smoking THC-rich marijuana damages the nerve system in the brain

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The study is thought to be the first to look at the effects of cannabis potency on brain structure, and suggests that greater use of skunk may cause more damage to the corpus callosum, making communications across the brain’s hemispheres less efficient.

Paola Dazzan, a neurobiologist at the Institute of Psychiatry at King’s College London, said the effects appeared to be linked to the level of active ingredient, tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), in cannabis. While traditional forms of cannabis contain 2 to 4 % THC, the more potent varieties (of which there are about 100), can contain 10 to 14% THC, according to the DrugScope charity.

“If you look at the corpus callosum, what we’re seeing is a significant difference in the white matter between those who use high potency cannabis and those who never use the drug, or use the low-potency drug,” said Dazzan. The corpus callosum is rich in cannabinoid receptors, on which the THC chemical acts.


If you have to smoke marijuana then stick to the weak stuff..........

[SeaGypsy]

Or just stick with traditional grog, ciggies & anti depressants, that way you are sure to be safe, or at least not in prison, (don't drink & drive)

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