[GHung]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')i Ghung,

GHung wrote:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')Absolutely, and it isn't just peak oil. It's a systemic confluence of things; financial, environmental, societal... that will be heavily influenced by peak oil. Peak oil = peak everything, except for delusion and denial. Reading the comments, it seems the author may have compartmentalized peak oil as a standalone issue.



Definitely not. He describes the whole thing. He brings up declining EROI, the "Olduvai Gorge", peak gas, peak everything, die-off, overshoot, the inter-connectedness of modern civilization, and all the other ideas which are common here. It's not compartmentalized.

[ROCKMAN]

"Peakers is they do not organize like other movements." Maybe it's just me but what movement? I work in a town with more petroleum geologists then the world combined. I live across the highway from the second largest refinery in the western hemisphere. A refinery like the many in this part of Texas dependent on the constant flow of oil. I live in the state with more oil production then any other. Etc, etc, etc. And "peak oil" isn't evrn in the local lexicon. If there's no "PO movement" here. So where is it: Vermont? Idaho? Belize? France? New Zealand?

Whereever this "movement" is they are certainly doing a fine job of hiding it. LOL. I'm not trying to be rude but we really shouldn't overvalue the impact of our little camp here. We are a merry band of brothers that the overwhelming majority of the population doesn't even knows exists.

[careinke]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ROCKMAN', '&')quot;Peakers is they do not organize like other movements." Maybe it's just me but what movement? I work in a town with more petroleum geologists then the world combined. I live across the highway from the second largest refinery in the western hemisphere. A refinery like the many in this part of Texas dependent on the constant flow of oil. I live in the state with more oil production then any other. Etc, etc, etc. And "peak oil" isn't evrn in the local lexicon. If there's no "PO movement" here. So where is it: Vermont? Idaho? Belize? France? New Zealand?

Whereever this "movement" is they are certainly doing a fine job of hiding it. LOL. I'm not trying to be rude but we really shouldn't overvalue the impact of our little camp here. We are a merry band of brothers that the overwhelming majority of the population doesn't even knows exists.

[GHung]

Yeah,, it's not the kind of thing you form a movement around. What would be the point? Movements are for people who think they can fix things. That said, it doesn't hurt to get with like-minded people to share ideas and adaptation strategies, maybe create some local resilience.

[Lore]

Everyone adapts in the grave, just a matter of time.

[careinke]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'W')ell Ghung, it might have been the thing you form a movement around. Perhaps a national movement with the power of our government behind it. Kind of a Marshal Plan II type thing to get off petroleum, move people closer to each other and the land. That sort of thing.

[ROCKMAN]

"Perhaps a national movement with the power of our government behind it. Kind of a Marshal Plan II type thing to get off petroleum, move people closer to each other and the land. That sort of thing." Ahh...I get it now. Like the fantasy football movement!!! Ohh...who wants to trade a plant for a lion? Hey...I even throw in a marm. LOL. I can feel a united global movement to greatly reduce fossil fuel consumption. Hey...it's my fantasy so shut the f*ck up. LOL.

[Lore]

People, people, people....where are the positive vibes here?

[ralfy]

It should also be noted that many reports about peak oil and the threat of a resource and energy crunch have been published by a variety of sources, including multinational banks, international energy agencies, military forces, intelligence groups, government agencies, and insurers.

[ennui2]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GHung', '
')Peak oil = peak everything, except for delusion and denial. Reading the comments, it seems the author may have compartmentalized peak oil as a standalone issue.

[ennui2]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', '
')it is primarily a bunch of older white men who are not satisfied with BAU, yet at the same time realize it is too hard to fix with the small number of "awake" individuals.

[ROCKMAN]

Lore – Positive vibes? Aren’t most here VERY POSITIVE…that society will do very little to avoid the energy/environmental catastrophe we’re heading to?

Ralfy – “…many reports about peak oil and the threat of a resource and energy crunch have been published by a variety of sources, including multinational banks, international energy agencies, military forces, intelligence groups, government agencies, and insurers.” And then add in a bunch of old white guys here talking about PO day and night yet our path hasn’t changed by any significant measure. Sorta like the old line: “Everybody talks about the weather but nobody does anything about it”. Well that’s not true anymore: all the fossil fuel consumers are certainly doing something about the weather. LOL.

Ennue - “The demographics of PO seem not that different from the Tea Party”. Bro, I don’t see that at all here. And we are the heart of the “PO movement” as far as I can tell. LOL. I don’t keep count but on average our band of brothers here is rather far removed from the Tea or even the middle of the road conservatives.

And everyone else: so far the offers I’ve gotten for my plant/marm trade in our fantasy PO league are insufficient. I did give some consideration to the bid of a one-eyed 3-legged dog with no teeth by the name of Lucky. But I’ll hold out a little longer.

[Revi]

I think this book has a very limited audience, and was done as a thesis or something. We are buying it, so that will help the author out some anyway. It's an ethnographic study of a very small segment of society, and it's not going to make the NY times best seller list any time soon. I think Kunstler and Heinberg's books are the closest that Peak Oil will ever make it to the mainstream. Reality is way out of fashion nowadays...

[onlooker]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')eality is way out of fashion nowadays...

[ROCKMAN]

onlooker - I do give Kaitlyn credit for having the balls...I mean guts, to go public. OTOH as they say in Hollywood: there's no such thing as bad publicity. LOL.

[Tanada]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ROCKMAN', '&')quot;Perhaps a national movement with the power of our government behind it. Kind of a Marshal Plan II type thing to get off petroleum, move people closer to each other and the land. That sort of thing." Ahh...I get it now. Like the fantasy football movement!!! Ohh...who wants to trade a plant for a lion? Hey...I even throw in a marm. LOL. I can feel a united global movement to greatly reduce fossil fuel consumption. Hey...it's my fantasy so shut the f*ck up. LOL.

[GoghGoner]

Peakers are a tiny part of the global population, so tiny as to be insignificant. Maybe when the author first thought of the book oil prices were rising and the active community was growing. Since 2009, TOD has shut down, EB rebranded, LATOC shut down, very few active posters on PO.COM, etc... We are as dead as Latin.