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Peak Oil Feeling Cycle: Denial, Anger, Fear, Depression (mer

Unread postby fossil_fuel » Sat 02 Jul 2005, 02:57:56

...but everyone needs to quit worrying and enjoy themselves a bit! You could die in a car crash tomorrow, or be diagnosed with cancer, and never even live to see peak oil, much less it's consequences. Even with the best laid plans, things might not go as you'd hoped. So take a break every once in a while and enjoy the last few minutes of the party, because there will never be another one like it.
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Unread postby Raxozanne » Sat 02 Jul 2005, 03:02:45

Yes I am dedicated to enjoying ready-available Lamb Tikka Masalas as much as possible before things go to pot. :)
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Unread postby savethehumans » Sat 02 Jul 2005, 04:23:32

I do cherish every day, fossil_fuel. Mainly because I know I can't get away from PO--everything from news to traffic to people planning their great futures--NOR can I change it. So I have my PO thoughts, visit this PO site, keep up with events--and remember that today is NOW. It's a heck of a balancing act. But being miserable all the time isn't gonna stop PO (or GW or climate change or economic collapse). So I'm not. Not ALL the time, anyway! :-D
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Unread postby killJOY » Sat 02 Jul 2005, 08:06:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '.')..but everyone needs to quit worrying and enjoy themselves a bit! You could die in a car crash tomorrow, or be diagnosed with cancer, and never even live to see peak oil
I worry, but I don't get overly depressed. Anecdote: Recently, I got called to a motor vehicle accident in the middle of the night (I'm an EMT). Three teenagers were killed instantly when they crashed into a tree while attempting to flee the police.

The next day, I'm home weeding my onions, milking my cow, thinking how DAMNED FORTUNATE I have been for 45 years.

That crash is a metaphor for what's going to happen in the next five years. I actually feel extremely fortunate to have gotten wind of PO long before the general populous.
Peak oil = comet Kohoutek.
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Preparing for Peak Oil NOT worth it

Unread postby Novus » Sat 02 Jul 2005, 12:37:11

It is really too late to prepare for peak oil now unless you are already a farmer/rancher living off the land. So those of us in the cities and suburbs we are as good as dead and our days our numbered. Don't waste your last few years worrying and preparing only to delay the inescapable for a few months if you are lucky. This crisis will likely go nuclear in the end so it is best not to even worry about it. Just enjoy these last few years. Go for a quality life over quantity life. A short life spent enjoying every moment can be better then a long one spent worrying.
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Re: Preparing for Peak Oil NOT worth it

Unread postby aldente » Sat 02 Jul 2005, 13:09:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', ' ')This crisis will likely go nuclear in the end


There are chances for such a scenario. Once the resource war in the Middle East really gets out of control could this be an explanation for why the Majan calender ends in 2012? I don't know much about that calender, possibly some other members on this forum here are better versed.

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Unread postby fossil_fuel » Sun 03 Jul 2005, 00:10:51

oh please. if the mayans were so damn smart, enough to accurately predict the end of the world, why couldn't they even predict that a couple hundred spanish goons would conquer their huge empire?
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Unread postby bobaloo » Sun 03 Jul 2005, 00:12:15

Actually, they did. That was the end of the last "great cycle".
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Re: Preparing for Peak Oil NOT worth it

Unread postby 0mar » Sun 03 Jul 2005, 00:48:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('albente', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', ' ')This crisis will likely go nuclear in the end


There are chances for such a scenario. Once the resource war in the Middle East really gets out of control could this be an explanation for why the Majan calender ends in 2012? I don't know much about that calender, possibly some other members on this forum here are better versed.

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Yea, it's called the Long Count. The Long Count assumes a cyclical existence and supposedly this Long Count will end in fire. I think the exact date is December 23rd 2012.
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Re: Preparing for Peak Oil NOT worth it

Unread postby aldente » Sun 03 Jul 2005, 03:08:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('0mar', 'Y')ea, it's called the Long Count. The Long Count assumes a cyclical existence and supposedly this Long Count will end in fire. I think the exact date is December 23rd 2012.


Fire would make sense in regards to atomic weapons. In an earlier thread someone pointed out that Hawaii is on of the most remote places that one can be if a nuclear fall out takes place. Jay Hanson who retired his dieoff website in 2000 lives there of all places and it makes me wonder if he came to a conclusion that we seemingly have not been able to come to on this forum so far: Are we inevitably steering into a nuclear desaster?

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Unread postby erl » Sun 03 Jul 2005, 03:10:49

December 21, 2012.

But what's a couple of days between friends?
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Unread postby Novus » Sun 03 Jul 2005, 11:09:05

Those old WWII era A-bombs are dangerous.

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But it is these H-bombs that will bring about the end of the world.
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It could all happen a lot sooner then even 2012. There is a conspiracy out there that says 9/11 was inside job. If that is true then it means the decision to fight the resource wars has already been made in the highest levels of government.

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Unread postby uNkNowN ElEmEnt » Sun 03 Jul 2005, 15:23:05

I've always been of the mind that the mayan clock just needs to be rewound. Why not? all non-battery operated clocks need somekind of rewinding...

I've heard someone say that solar flares are going to come to a climax in 2012 and it will wipe out all the computers, electronics etc... that would change the world as we know it....

If we are so low on oil its not like we could just replace all of them easily.
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Re: Preparing for Peak Oil NOT worth it

Unread postby TheTurtle » Sun 03 Jul 2005, 17:01:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', 'I')t is really too late to prepare for peak oil now unless you are already a farmer/rancher living off the land. So those of us in the cities and suburbs we are as good as dead and our days our numbered.


Hmmm ... that's gloomy ...
and people call ME a doomer. :)
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Unread postby aldente » Sun 03 Jul 2005, 20:40:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('uNkNowN ElEmEnt', 'I')'ve heard someone say that solar flares are going to come to a climax in 2012 and it will wipe out all the computers, electronics etc... that would change the world as we know it....


I've picked up somewhere that if an atomic- or hydrogen bomb is detonated high in the atmoshere above a city it will short circuit not only sensitive electronic devices but even wires in cars and the like. A city is not being destroyed that way but effetively 100% paralyzed.

It seems way more likely to me that the big resource war that we effectively have entered already will culminate in such a scenario rather than sudden solar flares to occur so strong that they will disrupt our activites completely.
The timing in particular with PO happening this decade begs for such a conclusion.
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Unread postby savethehumans » Mon 04 Jul 2005, 03:44:42

December 21, 2012, eh?

Heck of a Christmas present! :(
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Unread postby ubercrap » Mon 04 Jul 2005, 23:32:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('killJOY', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '.')..but everyone needs to quit worrying and enjoy themselves a bit! You could die in a car crash tomorrow, or be diagnosed with cancer, and never even live to see peak oil
I worry, but I don't get overly depressed. Anecdote: Recently, I got called to a motor vehicle accident in the middle of the night (I'm an EMT). Three teenagers were killed instantly when they crashed into a tree while attempting to flee the police.

The next day, I'm home weeding my onions, milking my cow, thinking how DAMNED FORTUNATE I have been for 45 years.

That crash is a metaphor for what's going to happen in the next five years. I actually feel extremely fortunate to have gotten wind of PO long before the general populous.


You're an EMT also? Damn, what don't you do? :lol:
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Unread postby AmericanEmpire » Sun 07 Aug 2005, 02:43:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')t is really too late to prepare for peak oil now unless you are already a farmer/rancher living off the land. So those of us in the cities and suburbs we are as good as dead and our days our numbered. Don't waste your last few years worrying and preparing only to delay the inescapable for a few months if you are lucky.


I can't sit around and just do nothing. I often worry that its going to be too little too late though. Wished I'd started preparing long ago. :cry:

Man, us humans really screwed up big time with this overshoot deal. I can't get my head around 5 billion humans dieing. Thats just insane. :x
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Nothing is easier than giving up.

Unread postby Liamj » Mon 08 Aug 2005, 05:55:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', 'I')t is really too late to prepare for peak oil now unless you are already a farmer/rancher living off the land. So those of us in the cities and suburbs we are as good as dead and our days our numbered. Don't waste your last few years worrying and preparing only to delay the inescapable for a few months if you are lucky. This crisis will likely go nuclear in the end so it is best not to even worry about it. Just enjoy these last few years. Go for a quality life over quantity life. A short life spent enjoying every moment can be better then a long one spent worrying.


:o And your dark certainty is based on...?
a. Personal difficulty coming to grips with reality.
b. Need for others to think as you do so you don't have to feel conspicuous in your weakness.
c. Experience of previous energy descent epochs (name of planet/previous uincarnation please).
d. 'Inside info' from your toaster.

I have no problem with ppl who don't particularly want to 'make it through' (prob cos i myself regularly reconsider that question).

But going around telling other people theres no point trying is flat out selfish, bordering on evil. Novus could be on average right, but its damn sure not predetermined (not in my universe) and there will be major 'patchiness' in what works and what doesn't.

Christ, people have been slouching around for decades going, "whats the point of it all, theres no meaning..", largely cos cheap energy and social disintegration had made them redundant and alienated. Now we've all GOT to pull together just to keep the stone age at bay, and people are slouching around going, "its too hard, too late, we're not meant to survive, blah blah, wah wah"!
We've all spent years as virtual hero's via hollywood, now we've got a chance at the real thing and.. "its too hard"!!!? Damn right it'll be hard, hopefully even hard enough to wake us up to life.
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