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Re: Planned parenthood - evil or do you care?

Postby PrestonSturges » Fri 14 Aug 2015, 16:37:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('zoidberg', 'S')o you support planned parenthood. Shall you write it down, plainly here?
Now I'm more curious how Theres arguments all around but no one is stepping up to stand shoulder to shoulder with the organization. At least here.Not firing at other posters but a clear sratment of support.

What's it to you? Why can't you simply address the issue of your own shallow hypocrisy and mindless bullshit? It's not complicated. If you have nothing, take your ball and go home and ask mommy for a juice box.


His thread, his rules. If you don't want to answer his simple question perhaps you should vacate the thread if it bothers you this much. Otherwise, you are simply trolling.


Gee Cog, you guys are demanding "Did you watch the videos? Did you? Did you?" Yeah I did, I had an evening of cleaning up spreadsheets about a month ago and I let the videos run. It's a steaming pile of bullshit. You demanded an answer and there it is. I did what you guys demanded (about a month ago) and in response you guys whine, whine, whine.
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Re: Planned parenthood - evil or do you care?

Postby Cog » Fri 14 Aug 2015, 17:07:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'S')o Cog who made you moderator? Anything Preston says, including I made a smell, is worth 10 of your posts.


I believe it was Pops, who is a moderator, announced that when a person starts a thread, that others should follow along with the point of the thread and not go off on tangents. I was simply trying to help Preston out here.
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Re: Planned parenthood - evil or do you care?

Postby americandream » Fri 14 Aug 2015, 17:38:59

[quote="zoidberg"]The matter isn't about a women s right to an abortion. She has the right. But but but that doesn't mean plannned parenthood gets to profit from it. A line in the sand is crossed here beyond roe vs wade. Abortions needs to be done ethically and humanely. If the baby can survive a c section it should be done and baby placed for adoption. If not it cant be given or sold to anyone.

But this is about planned parenthood. Shall I place you down in league with them? Absent their condemnation of course. So far no one has said yes I support planned parenthood.[/quote]

It is generally understood that this is pro life by stealth. I support PPs work in the low income community and view this as an attack on the rghts of women.
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Re: Planned parenthood - evil or do you care?

Postby Sixstrings » Fri 14 Aug 2015, 22:35:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'T')he nose poking, as you put it, is to see if Planned Parenthood is selling aborted fetuses for profit. Which is against federal law. That is the issue at hand. This has nothing to do with women having abortions.

The videos are at least suggestive that is going on.


I don't care about the "for profit" part, I think the fetal tissue thing should just be banned -- that's what's troubling, someone making profit off it is neither here nor there.

If this weren't an issue everyone is just ignoring, I think responsible journalism should investigate and make a balanced case of whether this is really even NEEDED for research.

If it's not compellingly needed for research, I'd be for banning it.

I don't even understand when this got approved. I remember W. Bush approved stem cell research and embryos, and that was a big deal at the time, so when did this get approved.
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Re: Planned parenthood - evil or do you care?

Postby Sixstrings » Sat 15 Aug 2015, 02:09:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', 'B')y any definition that I have any emotional or conscience based ties to, the doctors that work at Planned Parenthood are every bit as evil and malevolent as any individual mass murderer who has ever walked the planet. They are also legally entitled to continue their activities, for profit or not, as they see fit, without threat of disruption or interference. Performing these malevolent acts serves the interests of the society in which they live, and so one should not be surprised that the Law protects their activity, even if that activity is incredibly evil.


On the basic right to abortion, I'm pro choice, with caveats.

It's the woman's body. Abortion has been around since the days of ancient Rome, on up. In the Roman Empire, they used a plant that grew in north africa. They used so much of it, over centuries, that it actually went extinct and no longer exists.

If abortion were illegal, it would still happen -- just not safely.

It's the woman's body, but where I differ is on the balance between the rights of the mother versus when the baby becomes a person. I have a sense that Roe v. Wade, decided back in the 70s, pushed that allowed abortion date up too much.

Now I also know, incredible as it may seem, that sometimes women don't realize they are even pregnant. There have been cases (usually obese) where a woman gives birth and never knew she was pregnant.

The massive moral issue is that if a woman decides she must have an abortion, it has to be done soon.

The more days that tick by, into that pregnancy, the more wrong it all becomes.

I'm not an expert on the issue, but I wonder where the line is as far as number of days until there is brain activity? And sucking on a thumb, and yawning, and moving limbs, and capacity to feel pain.

Nobody wants to think about this sh*t, I get that.

I think what really should happen is to dial the days into pregnancy backward, for allowed abortions. There should be a fair dividing line there, between when a woman should reasonably be expected to know she is pregnant and then have like a week to get the abortion, versus the rights of the baby and being humane.

Being as humane as possible is more important than anybody's convenience, and certainly profits.

One reality that cannot be ignored, is that the more days that tick by in that pregnancy, the more wrong it becomes.

As for the actual issue in those videos, aborted fetal tissue research, unless I see some compelling argument of exactly how much researchers need this tissue (my hunch is they don't really need it), then I'd say that whole thing should be banned. Doesn't matter if it's private contracting companies involved or who is making money or if Planned Parenthood makes money, or if it's all free -- it looks to me like the practice itself is wrong, so ban it.
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Re: Planned parenthood - evil or do you care?

Postby Sixstrings » Sat 15 Aug 2015, 03:11:31

I was looking up some information. Some clinics advertise abortions "up to 21 weeks" or "up to 24 weeks," etc. One advertised, "you may not be too late."

This is a figure that astounds me and is so hard to believe, but apparently 1/3 of all women have an abortion in their lifetime:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')img]http://www.1in3campaign.org/images/logo_web.png[/img]
http://www.1in3campaign.org/en/


That's actually a pro choice website sharing stories of women, and why those chose abortion. The reasons vary, from a 48 year old woman that felt she was too old to have a baby. To then, young women in difficult circumstances.

But I just find that "1/3 of all women" figure astounding, because I've actually never heard of one woman -- in my personal life, as in friends-of-friends / anyone that anybody I know knows, that had an abortion. (well I take that back, there was ONE, but everyone talked about it afterward for YEARS, and disapproved, though nobody told her. I'm just being frank and honest, by the way.)

I'm a man, but all the women I know very much disapprove of abortions -- it's considered shameful, and wrong. I've known some women that are pro choice, on the issue, but would never have an abortion themselves.

So anyhow.. I dunno, guys.. 24 weeks?

That's 6 months.

Why can't the timeframe allowed, be dialed back? When is the most reasonable timeframe, that a woman would know she is pregnant? It seems to me that the inescapable moral issue is that the more time goes by, the more wrong it becomes to then have an abortion.

And aborted fetal tissue research should just be banned. Doesn't matter if there's money involved or if it were all volunteer and free, that should just be banned.

edit: and just to be fair, actually that's understandable at age 48 -- that's a high risk pregnancy, at that age.

And, to be fair -- from what I understand, men are often a reason for abortion as well. They won't support the baby, they may rather the pregnancy be ended for the same reason a young mother would, to just not have the responsibility of parenthood. Or the monthly child support, for 18 years.

To be fair -- the same people that are so much against abortion, often aren't for sex ed or birth control. So how does that make any sense.

So the whole issue is very complicated -- and nobody would want to shame a woman, after that decision is made, what's done is done.

But, then, there is just the issue of being humane -- when is too late, too late? And this fetal tissue research, that should be outright banned. And, abortion clinics SHOULD be government regulated and watched closely -- yet you can't ever get that done, because then people say that's going after the general right to an abortion.

Those on the left are afraid of the slippery slope of too much incursion of abortion rights. But then the slippery slope just goes too far the other way, as demonstrated in the videos in this thread. The abortion clinics actually are not regulated, enough.

So.. it's complicated stuff.. this is why courts are important, because somebody has to decide a middle ground that allows for the morally best thing with all rights balanced out against each other. Society has a right -- and obligation -- that things are done humanely, a mother has rights, some would argue a father should have some rights, and at some point a baby in the womb is awful close to a baby and has rights as well.
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Re: Planned parenthood - evil or do you care?

Postby zoidberg » Sun 16 Aug 2015, 21:37:33

Excellent summation. I'll leave it at that.
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Re: Planned parenthood - evil or do you care?

Postby PrestonSturges » Sun 16 Aug 2015, 21:57:40

The Republican governors of several states asked their states attorneys general to look into, and they've all come back and said PP hasn't broken the law.
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Re: Planned parenthood - evil or do you care?

Postby Cog » Wed 19 Aug 2015, 01:45:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'T')he Republican governors of several states asked their states attorneys general to look into, and they've all come back and said PP hasn't broken the law.


Do you just invent this stuff? You should know that not everyone on this board just takes your word for things. They actually research claims like yours. So your claim of "all of come back and said PP hasn't broken the law" is pure fantasy thinking or you just made it up on the fly. Which is it exactly? Got a link to a credible news source? You should be careful of using the word all when you mean the word some.

Three states have just defunded PP and the other states are still investigating. More at the link below.

http://dailysignal.com/2015/08/13/3-sta ... arenthood/

The three states that recently denied taxpayers’ money to Planned Parenthood affiliates likely will be followed by others as public pressure mounts on governors and other state officials, regardless of whether Congress votes to defund the nation’s leading abortion provider.

Defunding on the state level—as in Alabama, Louisiana, and New Hampshire—may not be as sharp a blow to Planned Parenthood as loss of half a billion dollars a year from the federal government, a lawyer for a prominent opponent told The Daily Signal.

Another article from the New York Times. Apparently five states have now moved to defund PP.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/18/us/st ... thood.html

On Friday, Arkansas became the fifth state to try to cut off state money by ending its contract with Planned Parenthood for services to residents covered by Medicaid, the health insurance program for the poor jointly run by states and the federal government. Arkansas follows Louisiana, Alabama, Utah and New Hampshire. The actions would not take effect until September, pending a period for appeal.

Gov. Asa Hutchinson of Arkansas, in his order seeking to break the contract with Planned Parenthood, echoed Gov. Bobby Jindal of Louisiana, a Republican presidential candidate. “This organization does not represent the values of the people of our state,” he wrote.
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Re: Planned parenthood - evil or do you care?

Postby Cog » Wed 19 Aug 2015, 06:40:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'C')og, you are in the wrong forum. We are scientists here, proponents of population control by almost any means to save the earth for future generations. We will do what is necessary to protect the natural capital of our planet to ensure that human life survives. Your fickle trivial partisan opposition to Planned Parenthood will not go unnoticed. You are being maintained. That is all I can say for now. :shock:


Bless your heart

When the scientists put down their calculators and the hippies put down their bong pipes, to storm the bastions of the Cog estate, it will be a day worth remembering. :-D
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Re: Planned parenthood - evil or do you care?

Postby PrestonSturges » Wed 19 Aug 2015, 14:22:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'T')he Republican governors of several states asked their states attorneys general to look into, and they've all come back and said PP hasn't broken the law.


Do you just invent this stuff? You should know that not everyone on this board just takes your word for things. They actually research claims like yours. So your claim of "all of come back and said PP hasn't broken the law" is pure fantasy thinking or you just made it up on the fly. Which is it exactly? Got a link to a credible news source? You should be careful of using the word all when you mean the word some.


You're do the climate change denial shtick of posting links to things that don't say what you say they do.

Ha, ha, silly man, you've pissed your life away and you have nothing left but yelling nonsense at strangers. Oh well at least the internet keeps you from wandering into traffic.
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Re: Planned parenthood - evil or do you care?

Postby Cog » Wed 19 Aug 2015, 15:54:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'T')he Republican governors of several states asked their states attorneys general to look into, and they've all come back and said PP hasn't broken the law.


Do you just invent this stuff? You should know that not everyone on this board just takes your word for things. They actually research claims like yours. So your claim of "all of come back and said PP hasn't broken the law" is pure fantasy thinking or you just made it up on the fly. Which is it exactly? Got a link to a credible news source? You should be careful of using the word all when you mean the word some.


You're do the climate change denial shtick of posting links to things that don't say what you say they do.

Ha, ha, silly man, you've pissed your life away and you have nothing left but yelling nonsense at strangers. Oh well at least the internet keeps you from wandering into traffic.


Are you going to post a link refuting anything I post two links to? Hello. Is this thing on?
LOL. I know you are just taking the piss in this thread but the OP asked some serious questions that deserve serious responses. Got any?
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Re: Planned parenthood - evil or do you care?

Postby PrestonSturges » Wed 19 Aug 2015, 16:29:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'T')he Republican governors of several states asked their states attorneys general to look into, and they've all come back and said PP hasn't broken the law.


Do you just invent this stuff? You should know that not everyone on this board just takes your word for things. They actually research claims like yours. So your claim of "all of come back and said PP hasn't broken the law" is pure fantasy thinking or you just made it up on the fly. Which is it exactly? Got a link to a credible news source? You should be careful of using the word all when you mean the word some.


You're do the climate change denial shtick of posting links to things that don't say what you say they do.

Ha, ha, silly man, you've pissed your life away and you have nothing left but yelling nonsense at strangers. Oh well at least the internet keeps you from wandering into traffic.


Are you going to post a link refuting anything I post two links to? Hello. Is this thing on?
LOL. I know you are just taking the piss in this thread but the OP asked some serious questions that deserve serious responses. Got any?


No of course not, you are a parasite trying to get other people to ruin their lives the way you have ruined yours by wasting their lives on total nonsense. Before the internet, people used to spend a lot of money on psychiatrists and then sit in total silence or intentionally talk complete gibberish to destroy time, because it was worth paying the psychiatrist so they would have the satisfaction of wasting someone's time. Somehow, they convince themselves this increased their importance, but of course the psychiatrist was thinking "Hey it's your dime. I'm still going to bill you." Meanwhile the client sits there with their mind running like a hamster in a wheel thinking about how important they are because they can waste someone's time.
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Re: Planned parenthood - evil or do you care?

Postby Cog » Wed 19 Aug 2015, 17:47:49

Oh the Noes. Bernie's Red Brigade coming to get me. Whatever shall I do?
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Re: Planned parenthood - evil or do you care?

Postby Lore » Wed 19 Aug 2015, 19:31:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'O')h the Noes. Bernie's Red Brigade coming to get me. Whatever shall I do?


I suggest hide in the closet and hold your cheeks together!
The things that will destroy America are prosperity-at-any-price, peace-at-any-price, safety-first instead of duty-first, the love of soft living, and the get-rich-quick theory of life.
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Re: Planned parenthood - evil or do you care?

Postby Cog » Wed 19 Aug 2015, 20:10:28

I will give up my guns to the Red Brigade when they come for them.

















Bullets first.
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