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Re: I don't want to be a doomer but I am

Unread postby Apneaman » Thu 23 Jul 2015, 22:46:20

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Re: I don't want to be a doomer but I am

Unread postby Apneaman » Thu 23 Jul 2015, 22:52:02

What are examples of things that are "common knowledge" about history that historians almost universally consider incorrect?


Introduction - Myths about the Middle Ages

As Quora User has noted, there are many historical myths about the Medieval Period. This is partly due to the rise of Humanism in the early Modern Period and the Renaissance movement in art and architecture. Both these movements venerated the Classical world and considered the period which followed the Classical era as degenerate and barbaric. So Medieval Gothic architecture, now recognised as being both extremely beautiful and technically revolutionary, was denigrated and abandoned for styles that copied Greek and Roman architecture. The very term "Gothic" was originally applied to this Medieval style as a pejorative: it's a reference to the Gothic tribes that sacked Rome and was meant to mean "barbaric, primitive".

The other reason for many of the myths about the period is its association with the Catholic Church. In the English-speaking world these myths have their origin in a Protestant denigration of Catholicism and a corresponding disdain for the period in which the Catholic faith was dominant. In other European cultures, such as Germany and France, similar myths have their origin in the anti-clerical stance of many influential Enlightenment thinkers Here is a summary of a few of the myths and misconceptions about the Medieval period that have arisen as a result of these prejudices:

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Re: I don't want to be a doomer but I am

Unread postby davep » Fri 24 Jul 2015, 04:19:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'I') didn't say or mean to say CO2 is a fertilizer. But it is an essential nutrient/input like water.The study found that when it was made available to the test trees beyond normal atmospheric levels, it increased plant growth beyond normal rates. The study also found that increased CO2 availability makes nitrogen more available for growth also.

It seems mankind has also made available ancient phosphate stores into the general environment through the mining and dispersal of so-called rock phosphates. I assume that P will also be available to the CO2-enhanced trees. This is good news. sorry (:


In a forest, CO2 levels are far higher under the tree canopy than in the atmosphere generally anyway. This is due to microbial action on soil humus (I forget the details) and the fact the canopy creates a natural barrier. Levels are even higher just above the soil.
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Re: I don't want to be a doomer but I am

Unread postby ennui2 » Fri 24 Jul 2015, 10:30:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Apneaman', 'S')ure thing, they made it all up for grant money.


Nothing about money necessary. Just bias. If you want to sway me, find me academics on the middle-ages (who didn't enter the field because they wished they live in that era) who will go to that site and verify that their claims are all accurate. It's a one-sided argument that whitewashes the era in a propagandistic way.
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Re: I don't want to be a doomer but I am

Unread postby Apneaman » Fri 24 Jul 2015, 13:17:49

ennui2, simply reading a number of your comments has exposed a clear pattern with you. Anytime you don't like something you start flinging accusations of bias, hidden agendas, sensationalism, etc, with zero evidence to back it. Classic conspiratorial thinking. Oh and even if a Medieval historian said (got a quote?) he wished he lived in those times, how do you come to the conclusion that it makes him bias and biased to what?
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Re: I don't want to be a doomer but I am

Unread postby davep » Fri 24 Jul 2015, 14:34:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')eriously, I have been thinking a lot about appropriate technology since coming to PO.com.


Appropriate technology is great. I really like the approach. Here's a nice summary from the late Keith Addison http://journeytoforever.org/at.html
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Re: I don't want to be a doomer but I am

Unread postby Pops » Fri 24 Jul 2015, 14:54:28

I love JtF, the site is very deep but really opaque, it isn't obvious just how much stuff is there without doing a search. Just for example, a person in CA might want to find out something about irrigation, in a few clicks not much shows up (lots on rats tho) but do a search and up pops 131 hits:

http://journeytoforever.org/search.html
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Re: I don't want to be a doomer but I am

Unread postby DesuMaiden » Sun 16 Aug 2015, 18:15:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ralfy', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'Y')ou will be much happier when you stop being a doomer. Trust me on this.


The "doom" disappears not because one stops being a doomer but because there are solutions.

I don't want to offend anyone, but I don't see there are any solutions. I believe peak oil will lead to the collapse of industrial civilization. Plain and simple. 90% of the population perishes. It is that simple.
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Re: I don't want to be a doomer but I am

Unread postby Cog » Sun 16 Aug 2015, 19:20:02

Of course there are no solutions. There are only individual options.
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Re: I don't want to be a doomer but I am

Unread postby ralfy » Sun 16 Aug 2015, 22:15:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'O')f course there are no solutions. There are only individual options.


What are these options?
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Re: I don't want to be a doomer but I am

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Mon 17 Aug 2015, 00:48:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ralfy', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'O')f course there are no solutions. There are only individual options.


What are these options?

1/ ignore the fact

2/ ignore the fact

3/ move

4/ set up something that stands a better chance than setting up nothing does, for keeping those you most care about in some way insulated (without counting into the millions, such a vague description is apt).

5/ same as 1 & 2 but with 'pizazze'
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Re: I don't want to be a doomer but I am

Unread postby ralfy » Mon 17 Aug 2015, 15:36:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ralfy', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'O')f course there are no solutions. There are only individual options.


What are these options?

1/ ignore the fact

2/ ignore the fact

3/ move

4/ set up something that stands a better chance than setting up nothing does, for keeping those you most care about in some way insulated (without counting into the millions, such a vague description is apt).

5/ same as 1 & 2 but with 'pizazze'


Looks like only one option to me, and it requires being a doomer.
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Re: I don't want to be a doomer but I am

Unread postby Cog » Mon 17 Aug 2015, 17:14:49

What exactly does being a doomer do for you except make you depressed and develop a tendency to post a lot of doom on the internet?

I prep both physically and financially but I am no doomer. What is the big difference between our thought processes?
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Re: I don't want to be a doomer but I am

Unread postby StarvingLion » Mon 17 Aug 2015, 20:51:38

I am the greatest DOOMER of them all!

How much fossil fuel will the planet be extracting in 2100? Ans: Zero

What can replace fossil fuel energy? Ans: Nothing

What is the purpose of renewables? Ans: They are fossil fuel extenders. Nuclear reactors are fossil fuel extenders. Neither one can replace fossil fuel energy.

Fossil fuel depletion is merely a transport problem, right? Ans: Wrong. It is the kingpin of food production.

Why is the Green movement popular? Ans: They believe in La-La Land (aka anti-austerity forever)

What will the carrying capacity of the planet be in 2100? Ans: Very much less than today.
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Re: I don't want to be a doomer but I am

Unread postby fleance » Tue 18 Aug 2015, 03:00:12

I agree that CO2 is plant food but too much of CO2 could not also good to the plants. Likewise, it can affect our climate.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/co2-plant-food.htm
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Re: I don't want to be a doomer but I am

Unread postby ennui2 » Tue 18 Aug 2015, 14:19:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', '
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Wrong. You're a doomer.

A doomer is merely having a very pessimistic outlook on the future. It doesn't have to just be the cliche' doomsday prepper survivalist in the bunker with guns and whiskey.
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