[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', '
')Well for one thing I would remove all scalping and hedging strategies and ensure that the market was representative of competency thus minimising the risk of crashes. As long as we have a commodfying economy we will need the exchanges. We can smooth the accumulation process and cut out the wild swings by getting people in there on an even playing field. Those who cannot cut the mustard would soon leave. This would return us to a more investment styled growth than one driven by speculation. This socialises participation as the market runs on longer more ethical I guess would be the word, timelines

I now turn the floor over to you to give me your understanding of how the markets would work in your view.

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', '
')
The same way democracy cannot survive overpopulation. Human dignity cannot survive it. Convenience and decency cannot survive it. As you put more and more people into the world, the value of life not only declines, it disappears. It doesn't matter if someone dies. The more people there are the less one individual matters.

[PrestonSturges]

The problem with "collectivism" is that "collectivism" is a favorite word of people in the bottom 20% range* of mental ability, that is to say people that aren't really smart enough to be conspiracy nuts. Strangely, a lot of them claim to be big church goers, because that doesn't count as collectivism. And they spend much of their time fantasizing about having absolute power, because that doesn't count either.

Anyway, ask the Greeks about who is taking all their stuff. It's the banks, not the socialists.

(* I would have used the word "quintile" but nobody that uses the word "collectivist" would know the word "quintile")

[Subjectivist]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'T')he problem with "collectivism" is that "collectivism" is a favorite word of people in the bottom 20% range* of mental ability, that is to say people that aren't really smart enough to be conspiracy nuts. Strangely, a lot of them claim to be big church goers, because that doesn't count as collectivism. And they spend much of their time fantasizing about having absolute power, because that doesn't count either.

Anyway, ask the Greeks about who is taking all their stuff. It's the banks, not the socialists.

(* I would have used the word "quintile" but nobody that uses the word "collectivist" would know the word "quintile")

[Newfie]

The two opinions, Russell and Azimov, are complementary not contradictory.

We have an excess of population. Not only to feed but for the work necessary. Thus we become individually less valuable. This is magnified by he use of fossils fuels.

Azimov notes the underlying trend, explains how we become worthless.

Russel observes how we artificially inflate our value through work and how little we really need to work, and how we deceive ourselves about our elf value through work.

Russel then suggests a solution, that we try to find value in other, less harmful outlets.

But wise men, ahead of their times, ignored.

[Newfie]

Russel's ideas make perfect sense but fail to catch on in spite of telling us, giving us permission to do as we wish without guilt. Why?

Because we are not individually emotionally free to do as we want.

We are bound to the collective (group, tribe, family, nation) to perform in service of that collective. We complain about the lack of freedom to work and say it is denied. The true dilemma is we deny our selves the ability to NOT work. We do not allow ourselves the freedom to be idle.

Thus we create a consumer driven, bureaucraticly and wastefully run society.

And ruin Earth and our children's future in the service thereof.

[PrestonSturges]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Subjectivist', 'F')unny I know what both words mean and I am a 'big church goer' as you put it. Snide superiority aside you are full of beans.

Faith based 'collectivism' is completely voluntary. I donate what money I can because I believe in what my church does with those funds. Typical collectivist so seek to tax people they do not like in a decidedly non voluntary fashion to accomplish the goals the collrctivist believe in reguardless of how the taxpayers feel about those goals.

[Timo]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', '
')
The same way democracy cannot survive overpopulation. Human dignity cannot survive it. Convenience and decency cannot survive it. As you put more and more people into the world, the value of life not only declines, it disappears. It doesn't matter if someone dies. The more people there are the less one individual matters.

[Subjectivist]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Subjectivist', 'F')unny I know what both words mean and I am a 'big church goer' as you put it. Snide superiority aside you are full of beans.

Faith based 'collectivism' is completely voluntary. I donate what money I can because I believe in what my church does with those funds. Typical collectivist so seek to tax people they do not like in a decidedly non voluntary fashion to accomplish the goals the collrctivist believe in reguardless of how the taxpayers feel about those goals.

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'T')he problem with "collectivism" is that "collectivism" is a favorite word of people in the bottom 20% range* of mental ability, that is to say people that aren't really smart enough to be conspiracy nuts. Strangely, a lot of them claim to be big church goers, because that doesn't count as collectivism. And they spend much of their time fantasizing about having absolute power, because that doesn't count either.

[Cog]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Outcast_Searcher', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ROCKMAN', '&')quot;...we can run the show more efficiently and with less perilous consequences..." Who is the "we" and where do I sign up? LOL. Everyone has a solution to all the problems we face. All they need to figure out is how to implement them. Easy-peazy. LOL

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Outcast_Searcher', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', '
')Well for one thing I would remove all scalping and hedging strategies and ensure that the market was representative of competency thus minimising the risk of crashes. As long as we have a commodfying economy we will need the exchanges. We can smooth the accumulation process and cut out the wild swings by getting people in there on an even playing field. Those who cannot cut the mustard would soon leave. This would return us to a more investment styled growth than one driven by speculation. This socialises participation as the market runs on longer more ethical I guess would be the word, timelines

I now turn the floor over to you to give me your understanding of how the markets would work in your view.

[Cog]

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
Thomas Jefferson

[PrestonSturges]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') say nothing of it's motives. They were founded in ignorance, not wickedness. God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all and always well-informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive..... Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon, and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'T')he tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
Thomas Jefferson

[Cog]

I would have to review my itinerary but I do not recall harassing black people as something I've scheduled today, next week, or next month. I do intend on going to work, paying my taxes, and taking care of my family. Perhaps that is what you mean by harassing black people.

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'I') would have to review my itinerary but I do not recall harassing black people as something I've scheduled today, next week, or next month. I do intend on going to work, paying my taxes, and taking care of my family. Perhaps that is what you mean by harassing black people.

[Cog]

I can order you a Confederate flag if you like.

[PrestonSturges]

Here's my confederate flag. I did this about five years ago for the Glenn Beck rally. That's Krylon not Photoshop.

[Pops]

use tinypic.com or something similar and set the resize to message board