[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', '.').........characterise circular communism as an absurd belief akin to religion...

[americandream]

Plantaganet

I want you to clearly detail:

Why a considered understanding of the circular social relations in communism is more akin to religious BELIEF

Whereas your belief in the SUPERIORITY OF INFINITE ACCUMULATION on a finite plane, through the market mechanism, is not.

A short and succinct executive summary of your belief basis will suffice. One that captures the logic behind your presence in this forum allied as your mindset is with infinite accumulation of a more market oriented nature than that of fellow capitalist and economic liberal, Barak Obama, your President, whom I might add, I view as a very capable and astute capitalist and accumulist.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'P')lantaganet

I want you to clearly detail:

Why a considered understanding of the circular social relations in communism is more akin to religious BELIEF.

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'P')lantaganet

I want you to clearly detail:

Why a considered understanding of the circular social relations in communism is more akin to religious BELIEF.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '
')You have a simple, childlike belief in Karl Marx's prophecies that the masses will rise up, and a workers paradise on earth will then ensue. Its really no different then a Christian's simple belief in the prophecies that Christ will come again, and a paradise on earth will ensue.

Cheers!

[americandream]

Plantaganet

I simply want YOU to detail, for me, the pathways of your logic system as they underpin your worldview. The spotlight is on you to detail the leap of logic from finite earth to the politics of Thatcherite style self responsible infinite growth.

We do not need a repetition of your rejection of mine. Thats kinda been thrashed now.

[onlooker]

AD, if I was you I would give it up. Plant is either unable or unwilling to detail logically and comprehensively his stance or philosophy. It is common for those who are bereft of intellectual argument to simply repeat their repudiation of anothers argument with simple platitudes or just outright dismissal for any or no reason.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', 'P')lant is either unable or unwilling to detail logically and comprehensively his stance or philosophy.

[americandream]

Yes, yes, we know all of that Plantaganet.

Notwithstanding your aversion to books, PLEASE DETAIL THE PATHWAYS THAT UNDERLINE THE LOGIC BEHIND YOUR SOCIO ECONOMIC BELIEFS.

After all, if you are going to convince me of the scientific rigour of your views, I would need to know what they are....succinct detail helps to convince one of the reason or otherwise behind worldviews.

Thus far, you have struck me as an anally dysfunctional madman with your obsession with Obama who strikes me as a leader cut from the same cloth as Bush or Reagan....and of course your bizarre cocktail of conservative counterculture. Prove me wrong.

[SeaGypsy]

Yeah like Jesus religion was a popular revolt, both times, right?

Hey Planty, AD wants you to justify your existence & give a holistic world view & explain why you think you are in Shangri-La already. How he extruded & bestowed such requirement on you? Something about sacred cows or something, oh books, that's right.

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'Y')eah like Jesus religion was a popular revolt, both times, right?

Hey Planty, AD wants you to justify your existence & give a holistic world view & explain why you think you are in Shangri-La already. How he extruded & bestowed such requirement on you? Something about sacred cows or something, oh books, that's right.

[onlooker]

Yea, I too am not understanding quite what your saying Sea. Me and AD are a bit confounded.

[SeaGypsy]

I'm seeing your requirement for both / a reconciled global geopolitical view, a belief that such is mandatory for a sense of sanity/ as presumptuous & preposterous. The system/s as they are don't require justification, they exist already. They don't require our belief, merely our capital & labor & consent by default.

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[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'I')'m seeing your requirement for both / a reconciled global geopolitical view, a belief that such is mandatory for a sense of sanity/ as presumptuous & preposterous. The system/s as they are don't require justification, they exist already. They don't require our belief, merely our capital & labor & consent by default.

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[onlooker]

I can only speak for myself though I think AD would agree that it is not really any justification rather offering an alternative and trying to explain how an alternative could and would have been better then what we have had and have. I myself have not delved too much into Marxism, AD is the expert but off hand it seems to me that Communism as Marx envisioned it would have been preferable to this rabid capitalism that the world has seen since after WWII.

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', 'I') can only speak for myself though I think AD would agree that it is not really any justification rather offering an alternative and trying to explain how an alternative could and would have been better then what we have had and have. I myself have not delved too much into Marxism, AD is the expert but off hand it seems to me that Communism as Marx envisioned it would have been preferable to this rabid capitalism that the world has seen since after WWII.

[SeaGypsy]

I actually agree with both AD & Planty on this. I do believe a rational & hard working bunch of hominids can live in an economically non hierarchical collective, & this doesn't require fantastic belief, just an awareness of anthropological basics. Where I agree with Plant, is in my words, the parts to make the collective envisioned by Marx are not in any meaningful way, either rational or cohesive, there is no reason to believe that what AD likes to call a circular collective economy can exist with the current meat robots as essential elements.

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'I') actually agree with both AD & Planty on this. I do believe a rational & hard working bunch of hominids can live in an economically non hierarchical collective, & this doesn't require fantastic belief, just an awareness of anthropological basics. Where I agree with Plant, is in my words, the parts to make the collective envisioned by Marx are not in any meaningful way, either rational or cohesive, there is no reason to believe that what AD likes to call a circular collective economy can exist with the current meat robots as essential elements.

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[SeaGypsy]

Care to elaborate on that stat? Interesting...

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'C')are to elaborate on that stat? Interesting...