[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', 'P')eople who read his books do so more for finding confirmation how dumb our society is rather than seeing his writing as a handbook on solutions....

[Lore]

Kunstler, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', '
')Nothing, I personally made the decision to power down several years ago when I decided to move from North Carolina to the woods and water of Michigan. I volunteer my services now, heat less, drive less, eat less and live small. I also vote and support anyone, in and out of my community, that has the gumption to move towards a more sustainable future.

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', '
')
And the irony is that he is far more engaged and in relationship to the very society that he has so much disdain for. That is why his writing is so visceral.

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', 'P')eople who read his books do so more for finding confirmation how dumb our society is rather than seeing his writing as a handbook on solutions....

[Timo]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', 'T')imo mentioned what's stopping us is money. Maybe the lack of money is what is forcing a lot of people to choose frugality, out of necessity. From that necessity we are forced to rekindle a resourcefulness our grandparents knew.

Money will never enable change. As I mentioned in another thread. We evolved with constraints. We don't handle abundance well.

In these early days when frugality is still a recessive cultural gene money will only shift us back over to high consumption. There are very few that take their financial resources and put this to work toward sustainability in real meaningful ways.

We are still one in a million.

[ennui2]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', '
')Move onto what?

[ennui2]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', 'K')unstler talks far more about our society's failures than he actually does about solutions.

[Pops]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', '
')Time to move on?

[jedrider]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rollin', 'T')he reality is that during a fast collapse, most cities and towns would burn. A lot of forests would burn also. The resulting "nuclear winter" would make it tough for anyone In a cool to cold climate to survive at all. There might not be a lot of things to use after all the fires and chemical spills. Of course there wouldn't be many people either.

Personally, I put fast collapse probability at less than 10 percent. If collapse occurs it will be cyclical inhomogeneous and stretched out over a period of time. Those places insulated from the global economy might not notice it much at all.

[dinopello]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', ' ')more and more just a place to bitch about the thing that enables us to sit and bitch.

[Lore]

The goal should be to bitch and do something about it, rinse and repeat.

One reason for the endless bitching is peak oil is not a movement. It's a concept codified as a threat. Movements by definition campaign for action on their beliefs.

Stalin and Lenin took a concept and turned it into a revolution.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', ' ')

Stalin and Lenin took a concept and turned it into a revolution.

[Pops]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', ' ')more and more just a place to bitch about the thing that enables us to sit and bitch.

[steam_cannon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kunstler', '&')quot;I'm not gay and don't know anyone who is, but I'm pretty sure it (being gay) doesn't have anything to do with peak oil, plastic Christmas trees or consumerism."

[Pops]

Thanks for that Steam.

[Timo]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'T')he goal should be to bitch and do something about it, rinse and repeat.

One reason for the endless bitching is peak oil is not a movement. It's a concept codified as a threat. Movements by definition campaign for action on their beliefs.

Stalin and Lenin took a concept and turned it into a revolution.

[efarmer]

Jim is a writer, and he found an audience, and he caters to it, which is how this career works. He has an opinion, and it changes over time a bit, but it is consistent. I never expect him to layout the solution to the world's issues. I don't expect to come here to PO and find the solution to oil dependence either. Pops hit his latest work with "Pop's sickle" instead of a thumbs up.

[Loki]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('efarmer', 'J')im is a writer, and he found an audience, and he caters to it, which is how this career works. He has an opinion, and it changes over time a bit, but it is consistent. I never expect him to layout the solution to the world's issues. I don't expect to come here to PO and find the solution to oil dependence either.

[Loki]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', 'K')unstler is a good read for the adolescent, still dependent on "daddy and mommy" BAU but not yet mature enough to leave the relationship behind and follow your own world view.

At the root of obsessing over the decline of modern civilization is this same adolescence. One is not yet rooted in creating an alternative value system or culture and so must waste all ones time obsessing on how "mommy and daddy" civilization is all fxxcked up..

You start drifting away from obsessing on this topic when you grow up. You accept the dysfunction and move on to build what ever creative life you can within the limits and in spite of our collective retardation.

To endlessly dissect all the many facets of the dysfunction is immature. Not only that, it is also becoming a tired cliche. What was perhaps cutting edge 10 years ago is becoming rather worn and boring and scripted and predictable as a theme.

Time to move on?