[jedrider]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'O')k, inflammation is bad. I get that. Got plenty of it.

How do I get rid of it?

To be more precise....
Weird kinda flu like aches in my mussels
Gout
Arthritis
Then there are these weird points of inflammation in my feet, toes, and ankles that sorta move around and can even cross from one foot to the other, in the course of a day! I don't write em, I read em!

The only correlations I have are...
Fasting really helps, 60 to 80% improvement in a day.
Seems related to MSG, about 6 hours latter I get real bad pains.
But must be something else in the food also.

Drs = worthless

[jupiters_release]

Damn, blast from the past, NEOPO where are you?

[Subjectivist]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'O')k, inflammation is bad. I get that. Got plenty of it.

How do I get rid of it?

To be more precise....
Weird kinda flu like aches in my mussels
Gout
Arthritis
Then there are these weird points of inflammation in my feet, toes, and ankles that sorta move around and can even cross from one foot to the other, in the course of a day! I don't write em, I read em!

The only correlations I have are...
Fasting really helps, 60 to 80% improvement in a day.
Seems related to MSG, about 6 hours latter I get real bad pains.
But must be something else in the food also.

Drs = worthless

[Newfie]

Car keys in hand, heading to the liquor store!

[Newfie]

If anyone is interested, there is a thread at this other site where they are experimenting making their own tonic water.

The whole thread is quite a hoot rely, and a couple are getting into this deep. The recipient is on page 21 of the thread.

http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f91 ... 48-21.html

[Tanada]

Is it just me, or is there a pattern of cheap herbal remedies being first downplayed and then suppressed by the FDA? The Pure Food And Drug Act was intended to eliminate the snake oil salesmen, but more and more it seems like Big Pharma gets their latest most expensive product approved while older cheaper more reliable products get discontinued or downright forbidden.

[dissident]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'I')s it just me, or is there a pattern of cheap herbal remedies being first downplayed and then suppressed by the FDA? The Pure Food And Drug Act was intended to eliminate the snake oil salesmen, but more and more it seems like Big Pharma gets their latest most expensive product approved while older cheaper more reliable products get discontinued or downright forbidden.

[Subjectivist]

Two days in, 12 ounces yesterday, 16 ounces today. No adverse reactions to Tonic water and inflammation seems mildly lower, but that could be Placebo effect. Will keep this up for a few days and see what happens. Are you trying it as well Newfie?

[dissident]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Subjectivist', 'T')wo days in, 12 ounces yesterday, 16 ounces today. No adverse reactions to Tonic water and inflammation seems mildly lower, but that could be Placebo effect. Will keep this up for a few days and see what happens. Are you trying it as well Newfie?

[Newfie]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Subjectivist', 'T')wo days in, 12 ounces yesterday, 16 ounces today. No adverse reactions to Tonic water and inflammation seems mildly lower, but that could be Placebo effect. Will keep this up for a few days and see what happens. Are you trying it as well Newfie?

[Newfie]

I went through a couple of big bottles of diet tonic water. Kinda like the taste, will do more. Also I do like a G&T now apnea again, although I'm not much for hard stuff.

But I have yet to see any real health benefits.

I'll report more if I see a difference in the future.

[Tanada]

From Tom Naughton, more at link below.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tom Naughton', 'T')he USDA (ahem) “experts” are willing to admit that cholesterol is no longer a “nutrient of concern,” but can’t quite bring themselves to say saturated fat is okay. However – and this is huge, since so many people get their dietary advice from registered dieticians – the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics has already jumped ahead of the USDA. The organization’s official commentary on the latest USDA guidelines first praises the USDA for its efforts, then disputes much of what the USDA has to say.

Dr. Stan De Loach (who has been recommending a high-fat, real-food diet to patients in Mexico for years) summarized the points made by the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics:

1. Cholesterol contained in food items is NO LONGER a nutrient of interest or concern. That is, limiting cholesterol (egg yolks, for example) in the food plan makes no sense because there is no trustworthy scientific evidence that it may produce negative or harmful effects on the human body or cardiovascular system.

2. NO scientific consensus or concrete scientific evidence exists that could justify the recommendation that the quantity of dietary salt (sodium) be limited. This long-standing recommendation to not consume salt freely has been overturned. Moreover, the Report mentions that probably and certainly “there are persons who are NOT consuming a SUFFICIENT amount of sodium.”

3. “Not a single study included in this revision of the dietary recommendations meant to prevent cardiovascular disease was able to identify saturated fat as an element in the diet that has an unfavorable or adverse association to cardiovascular disease.” The experts recommend de-emphasizing saturated fat as a nutrient of interest or concern.

4. The lipid/lipoproteins LDL and HDL are NOT appropriate nor adequate for use as markers of the impact of diet on the risks of cardiovascular disease, for example, in the scientific studies that attempt to measure diet’s impact on the risks for cardiovascular disease.

5. “The consumption of carbohydrates carries a GREATER risk for cardiovascular disease than that of saturated fats.”

6. “It is likely that the impact of carbohydrate consumption on the risks for cardiovascular diseases is positive (that is, their consumption INCREASES the risks).”

7. “Therefore, it seems to us that the scientific evidence summarized and synthesized by the Committee suggests that the most effective simplified recommendation to reduce the incidence of cardiac disease would be a simple reduction in the consumption of carbohydrates, replacing them with polyunsaturated fats.” Polyunsaturated fats tend to reduce the levels of cholesterol in the blood. Avocados, fish (tuna, trout, herring, salmon), some varieties of nuts (peanuts, walnuts, sunflower seeds, sesame), some mayonnaises, some salad dressings, olive oil, etc., contain polyunsaturated fats.

8. “The strongest scientific evidence indicates that a reduction in the consumption of added sugars (carbohydrates) will improve the health of the American public.”

Okay, ya can’t win ‘em all, at least not right away. The dieticians want carbs replaced with polyunsaturated fats. But this is still huge. Look at the basic message: Stop worrying about cholesterol, saturated fat and salt. Start focusing on reducing sugars and refined carbohydrates. If this keeps up, people will soon believe you can eat food that tastes good and still be healthy. Dr. Ornish must be terrified.

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'F')rom Tom Naughton, more at link below.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tom Naughton', 'T')he USDA (ahem) “experts” are willing to admit that cholesterol is no longer a “nutrient of concern,” but can’t quite bring themselves to say saturated fat is okay. However – and this is huge, since so many people get their dietary advice from registered dieticians – the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics has already jumped ahead of the USDA. The organization’s official commentary on the latest USDA guidelines first praises the USDA for its efforts, then disputes much of what the USDA has to say.

http://www.fathead-movie.com/index.php/ ... ing-point/

[Tanada]

Here is something to read, I enjoyed it.

http://www.artofmanliness.com/2015/08/2 ... -is-wrong/

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ack in 2013 when I published the results of my testosterone-boosting experiment, I got chided by many commenters for recommending a diet high in cholesterol and fat. According to them, I was promoting a dangerous diet that would lead to heart disease and obesity, despite the fact that I also published the results of my blood test which showed stellar cholesterol numbers.

I don’t blame these guys for their criticisms. Like me, most of them probably grew up during the 80s and 90s when it was an article of faith that diets high in cholesterol and fat would result in heart disease and other health problems.

But everything most everyone knew about cholesterol has turned out to be wrong. (And that includes me and what I thought was a conclusive link between this lipid molecule and testosterone!)

In truth, cholesterol isn’t a bad guy. He’s just misunderstood. And today we’re going to share everything you need to know about Mr. Cholesterol and offer the real dope on this right old molecular chap.

[onlooker]

Thanks guys for all this informative data, I already knew about some of this. Basically the food business was pitching all this information to get Americans hooked on sugar as they knew very well how addictive sugar is. I would add the connection between weight and diabetes. It is from this book I heard about and researched a little it is called Diabesity: The Obesity-Diabetes Epidemic That Threatens America - Dr. Kaufman is perhaps best known for her critically-acclaimed nonfiction book
Oh and yes I have heard more then enough about the role of microbes in an unhealthy profile I would add eating too much artificial food or substances and an obvious but very important factor getting an optimal amount of ALL nutrients.

[Subjectivist]

A little late but it's now totally official,

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ut US officials have finally given the green light for a U-turn on previous warnings, which means eggs, butter, full-fat dairy products, nuts, coconut oil and meat have now been classified as "safe" and have been officially removed from the "nutrients of concern" list.

The US Department of Agriculture, which is responsible for updating the guidelines every five years, stated in its findings for 2015: "Previously, the Dietary Guidelines for Americans recommended that cholesterol intake be limited to no more than 300 mg/day.

"The 2015 DGAC will not bring forward this recommendation because available evidence shows no appreciable relationship between consumption of dietary cholesterol and serum (blood) cholesterol, consistent with the AHA/ACC (American Heart Association / American College of Cardiology) report.

"Cholesterol is not a nutrient of concern for overconsumption."



The Dietary Guidelines Advisory Committee will, in response, no longer warn people against eating high-cholesterol foods and will instead focus on sugar as the main substance of dietary concern.

The 70s, 80s and 90s were the 'non fat' years, with the government warning people to limit the amount of high-cholersterol foods in their diets to avoid heart disease and strokes.

But nutritionists and scientists have long been campaigning for the U-turn, which started with introducing "good cholesterols" back into the 'safe zone'.

[Tanada]

More information for those who choose to be involved in their own health care rather than blindly following standard medical advice despite the fact that every patient is an individual who needs treatment tailored to their genetics and lifestyle. Very long article at link below the quote.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')DR ASEEM MALHOTRA is on holiday in India but KEEN TO talk by phone. He’s not holding back, either. The obsession with lowering LDL cholesterol is “unscientific nonsense”, he says.

“Absolutely, please quote me on this, it’s unscientific nonsense. All this fear of cholesterol and these adverts and all these vegetable oils and margarines to lower cholesterol, it’s unscientific nonsense. There’s a whole industry developed primarily on people being told to get their ­cholesterol down to prevent heart disease when, actually, it’s a very weak risk factor.”

There’s no question statins lower LDL, he says. But it’s the wrong target. To reduce the incidence of CVD, ­emphasis should be on insulin resistance. Malhotra is a world-leading campaigner against sugar, calling it “public health enemy number one”, and argues saturated fat is not the ­bogeyman it’s been painted.

In fact, in April this year, he, Redberg and Dr Pascal Meier, a cardiologist at Uni­versity Hospital ­Geneva and University College London, wrote in the ­British Journal of Sports Medicine (part of the BMJ stable) that “the conceptual model of dietary saturated fat clogging a pipe is just plain wrong”. It created a frenzy of debate.

They claimed: “It is time to shift the public health ­message in the prevention and treatment of coronary artery ­disease away from measuring serum lipids and reducing dietary saturated fat. Coronary artery disease is a chronic inflammatory disease and it can be reduced ­effectively by walking 22 minutes a day and eating real food.” In a nod to their belief that vested interests are ­pushing the low LDL cholesterol message, they concluded: “There is no business model or market to help spread this simple yet powerful ­intervention.”

He’s just released a book, The Pioppi Diet, which has gained traction in the UK. The basis of the diet, borrowing from the lifestyle in the Italian village of Pioppi, is to stay away from sugar and refined carbohydrates rather than fat, to eat ­vegetables, nuts and extra virgin olive oil daily, get seven hours’ sleep, walk regularly and avoid stress.

Malhotra ­argues adopting this way of life is a more ­effective prescription for heart health but the message is drowned out by the statin chorus, aided and abetted by pharmaceutical companies – and researchers funded by them. Patients like the idea of taking a pill, which then – they think, falsely and dangerously – allows them to eat what they want.

“We’ve completely lost perspective and the reason we have this whole crisis in healthcare in Australia, the UK and the US is that we are over prescribing drugs without giving complete information to patients, (and) at the same time neglecting the impacts of lifestyle,” Malhotra says. “Looking at all the industry-sponsored data, roughly, ­taking a statin every day for the next five years, there is about a one per cent chance it will prevent you from having a non-fatal heart attack or stroke but there is a one in 50 chance it will give you type 2 diabetes.

“That’s before you get into the ­conversation about things like muscle pain and ­fatigue.”

Still, he does prescribe statins to people with heart ­disease but who haven’t had a heart attack. But unlike many doctors, he says, he baldly describes the risks as well as benefits. He makes it clear “there is no overall mortality benefit” and leaves it to the patient to choose. If they decide on statins and return with aches and pains, fatigue or ­memory issues, he will un-prescribe to test improvement in well-being. There are no special steps to coming off statins, he says, and rejects the suggestion that quitting them would elevate the chances of a CVD event.

That’s a complaint that was made against Maryanne Demasi after her Catalyst piece aired. It’s “complete nonsense ­designed to smear”, says Malhotra. In July this year, he co-authored a piece with Demasi, published in the UK’s Pharmaceutical Journal, headlined “The cholesterol and calorie hypotheses are both dead – It’s time to focus on the real culprit: insulin resistance”.

A number of high-profile ­doctors came out in support, including Sir Richard Thompson, a Royal College of Phys­icians past president and the Queen’s personal physician for 21 years, who said: “The ­seductive theory that cholesterol in blood and the diet is the enemy and therefore must be lowered at all cost has ­diverted attention away from the unnatural increase in sugar intake that has a greater ­influence on obesity, diabetes and CVD. Time for a rethink and a change in our diets.”

In an email exchange, I ask Demasi how she responds to the allegation that she and protagonists such as Malhotra cherry-pick data to suit their thesis. Demasi turns the ­tables: “We highlighted (in the journal article) the multitude of studies which have been ignored by those who are vigorously defending the cholesterol hypothesis. There are 44 randomised controlled trials of drug and dietary interventions to lower LDL cholesterol in the primary and ­secondary prevention literature which show no benefit on mortality. Most of these trials did not reduce cardiovascular events, and several reported substantial harm.”

Demasi says Australia has an “incurious” attitude ­towards the statin therapy debate. “There’s a lack of public discourse about statins,” she says.

“Dissenting views can be met with ­personal attacks rather than scientific rebuttals … Some doctors have turned to social media and blogging to follow international media coverage and take part in the debate.”

The author prepares to undergo a CT scan to assess her coronary calcium score. Electrodes are attached to my chest, the machine slides me inside a hi-tech imaging circle and a robotic voice asks me to hold my breath. Ten minutes later, I’m dressed and waiting outside for the results of my CT scan.

It’s with some trepidation I slide the report out of the ­envelope. Has my love affair with bacon and hate-love ­relationship with cigarettes compromised my arteries and left me with a serious decision to make about lifelong medication? I’m confused by the pros and cons, despite Colquhoun’s insistence I shouldn’t be. The cholesterol and statin debate has made me acutely aware of one thing – medicine is a science, but not an exact one. In the end, the decision about treatment will come down to me. As it should.

My decision is made simpler when I read the report. The result is good; my coronary artery calcium score is 29. In fact, says Dr Colquhoun in an email, it’s very good. “Not perfect, but very good”. “Your risk of a cardiovascular event over the next 10 years is less than one per cent,” he writes. “Your number is well below the cut point to require drug therapy, according to the Cardiac Society of Australia and the American Heart Association. The Americans have clearly stated 300 and above requires lipid-lowering drug therapy.”

Yet, here’s the twist. My cholesterol has barely changed. Despite a much-increased intake of almonds and kale, more sardines and tuna in my diet than a baby shark and a chocolate intake over six weeks that I can count on one hand, my total cholesterol is down a minuscule 0.2 mmol/L, my LDL by 0.35 and my triglycerides have actually increased to 2.4 mmol/L, now putting it just above the target level. But I do feel better; more energetic, and a few kilos have disappeared. At last, I think I can commit to some permanent changes. A symptom of getting older is no longer taking good health for granted, and this swath of tests has brought my mortality into sharp focus. In ways I had not anticipated.

The coronary calcium score was a revelation that has averted me from wrangling with a statin decision that, for me, was going to be difficult. But before dashing out to get one, be warned – you may discover more than you bargained for. My CT scan showed a small nodule on my lung. A more detailed CT detected two others. I now have a lung specialist.

For the next three months, as I endure an agonizing wait before another scan to see if the spots have grown, which would suggest cancer, I cling to the fact that nodules are relatively common, most are non-cancerous and the radio­logist’s report says they “are likely to represent granulomata”. Which means they would be benign. If not, it’s been caught early, which, hopefully, would mean a good prognosis.

Believe me, you don’t want to be in this position.