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Re: Russia-Ukraine newsline/Freedom of speech

Unread postby GregT » Tue 10 Feb 2015, 03:22:23

Thanks for posting all of this radon1.

The truth needs to be told. Millions of peoples lives have already been adversely affected. Further escalation of this conflict will not solve anything.
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Re: Russia-Ukraine newsline/Freedom of speech

Unread postby radon1 » Tue 10 Feb 2015, 04:38:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GregT', 'T')hanks for posting all of this radon1.


Thank you very much indeed, sir.

http://www.microsofttranslator.com/bv.a ... F112344%2F

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Don't bomb the factories!

Despite continued fighting, many enterprises of Donbass continue to work. However, even those that are not directly affected by the attacks, have not had an opportunity to return to the pre-war course. Because of the damage to the rail track and stations (mainly around Debaltseve-the biggest transport hub of Donbass), plants can neither receive raw materials nor send the finished products. The entire logistics of Donbass are still tied to the Ukraine. In addition, the main port through which cargo is delivered, Mariupol, currently sits right on the front line.

At a meeting of Directors of industrial enterprises , Transport Minister of the Donetsk Republic Semen Kuzmenko said: "We now have a traffic jam of 5 000 rolling stock. Yasinovataya, Uglegorsk, Horlivka, Debaltseve are all being bombed. There is a huge number of cars on the station is Skotovata".

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he lack of distribution means absence of money. And this leads to the fact that businesses have nothing to pay. Employees are being fired.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')aksym Leschenko, Chief of Administration of the Donetsk Republic, recommended that the industrialists start working through Russia.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')his raises a number of issues. How realistic is the reorientation of Donbass industry in Russia?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')olitical analyst Alexei Bluminov does not believe in the possibility of reorientation:

-Economy of Donbass is an integral part of the Ukrainian national economy. There are a common production chains: raw materials for steel plants are from Dnipropetrovsk and Zaporizhia regions, transport logistics are tied to the Ukrainian ports and railways. All transactions are made through Kiev and go through the Ukrainian banks. All sales offices and foreign contractual base are also running on the territory of Ukraine. Item codes of Donetsk region are Ukrainian, too. This means that Ukraine and Donbass are not going to divorce in the foreseeable future. Economic separation is something of a fantasy of the Donetsk Minister.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he view of political scientist Rostyslav Ischenko is different:

-At this stage, the shift is inevitable. Regular transport links with Ukraine virtually stopped during the war. The Ukrainian economy is dead. Of course, the mining industry is feeling slightly better than high-tech production, but given the scarcity of energy and electricity, absence of the workers due to draft dodging, financial crisis, it is impossible to guarantee supply regularity and the rhythmic work.

In addition, the supply of raw materials from Ukraine and access to markets through Ukrainian ports may be closed at any time by a political decision (and not necessarily of the central authorities). Finally, the civil war is ready to engage the whole of Ukraine at any moment, making its entire territory an area of active fighting. Any enterprise, any port, any railway junction can be simply destroyed during the war. In fact, creating at least a relatively reliable logistics through Ukraine in the next year or two may be technically impossible.
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Re: Russia-Ukraine newsline/Freedom of speech

Unread postby radon1 » Tue 10 Feb 2015, 06:55:45

Video report from the ground on taking Logvinovo and closing Debaltsevo cauldron, English subtitles need to be turned on in Settings.

http://youtu.be/xBMUSlBGEzU

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http://vk.com/strelkov_info?w=wall-57424472_45725

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')oday at 14:01 (local time)

10.02.15. Message by reporter nicknamed "Steppe".

 "In Donetsks's district Zaperevalny, another group of Ukrainian saboteurs was eliminated. This group performed mortar attacks on high-rise buildings, hospitals and schools. Saboteurs moved on a white minibus "Volkswagen Transporter" with the number signs of the Donetsk Republic, made specifically for this car. Also, the saboteurs were dressed up in military uniform with stripes mimicking the shape of the Donetsk forces. Minibus gave rise to suspicion by local residents by moving erratically, with the alarm activated, stopping near the civil facilities, doing visual observation. During the detainment the saboteurs tried to escape, but then attempted to resist detainment. Most of the enemy was eliminated during the chase, away from residential areas."

By Oleg Frolov: "Tonight Ukrainian saboteur groups fired mortars on weaving factory and brewery. Also, a few mortars flew into town Semashko."
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Re: Russia-Ukraine newsline/Freedom of speech

Unread postby Withnail » Tue 10 Feb 2015, 07:32:36

NAF shells Kramatorsk, behind enemy lines, with heavy rockets (Smerch). Airport apparently hit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLL0w ... c9Kh-OL4sQ
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Re: Russia-Ukraine newsline/Freedom of speech

Unread postby radon1 » Tue 10 Feb 2015, 08:16:29

Bathroom in Pervomaisk, Donetsk

http://youtu.be/uyvseAgKt7Q
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Re: Russia-Ukraine newsline/Freedom of speech

Unread postby radon1 » Tue 10 Feb 2015, 08:39:43

http://www.microsofttranslator.com/bv.a ... urce%3Dtw1

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')utin WINS on all fronts("Rzeczpospolita", Poland)
Four days after declared François Hollande of the French-German economic offensive diplomatič we still do not know the details of the peace plan in Paris and Berlin to Ukraine. But we already know that on this tour again won by Vladimir Putin. Moreover, in several aspects.

First, in the symbolic. The Russian President without any significant concessions to persuade Angela Merkel to come to Moscow, which she refused to do the whole year so it does not become a political tool of the Kremlin propaganda.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')econdly, the strategic. The Kremlin has been a spectacular way to divide the West. Of the negotiations was excluded not only Poland, but also the United Kingdom and, above all, the United States, that is, countries that are considering arms transfers in Kiev.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hirdly, in economic. The split in Europe does not augur well in terms of the July decision of the EU Council on the extension of sanctions against Russia.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')ourthly, in the tactical. Thanks to the German-French initiative Putin WINS time.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ut perhaps the most important victory, Putin won in the moral aspect. A year after the Maidana Hollande and Merkel clearly state that Ukraine has no place in NATO, and Nicolas Sarkozy, adding that the European Union too.

Looks like these positions are far-fetched, but anyway - this is an outlook from Poland.

And more about the UK's position:

http://www.dw.de/ukraine-crisis-are-the ... a-18246810

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'U')kraine crisis: Are the British backing down?

British Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond (photo above, left) sounded unusually defensive during a meeting with his EU counterparts Monday on the topic of Ukraine and the Franco-German peace initiative.

"The UK is not planning on supplying Ukraine with lethal weapons," he insisted. "If the United States is planning on doing so, that's an individual decision. Every country is playing its own role, and the UK has always led the fight in the EU for tougher sanctions.

"We're happy that the Germans have taken the lead with direct talks with Russia," he said, adding that this was the best channel for such discussions.
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Re: Russia-Ukraine newsline/Freedom of speech

Unread postby Withnail » Tue 10 Feb 2015, 09:55:00

Apparently 2 dead and 10 wounded Ukrainain troops at Kramatorsk airport, and a gunship destroyed.

But Kramatorsk civilians have also been killed by the rocket strike.
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Re: Russia-Ukraine newsline/Freedom of speech

Unread postby radon1 » Tue 10 Feb 2015, 10:17:12

Blocking detachments - detachments shooting into the soldiers of their own army, to prevent them from fleeing from the battlefield.

A summary:

"Ukrainian blocking detachments do not let the Ukrainian troops to get out of the Debaltsevo cauldron. A group of Ukrainian soldiers, headed by the deputy commander of the 40th separate mechanized infantry battalion of the Ukrainian army Vladimir Sarychev voluntarily surrendered to the Donetsk troops on the Debaltseve - Artemovsk road, having learnt about the betrayal of their commanders. The Ukrainian cannot lay down their arms or retreat under the pain of death. In the second line behind us, the battalions of the National Guard and other units whose functions were unknown to and incomprehensible for us. "I can suggest that they have functions of the so-called blocking detachments [organized against us], "- said the commander of the surrendered soldiers."

Original article and video: http://www.microsofttranslator.com/bv.a ... s%2F149655
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Re: Russia-Ukraine newsline/Freedom of speech

Unread postby Donetsk » Tue 10 Feb 2015, 10:45:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Withnail', 'A')pparently 2 dead and 10 wounded Ukrainain troops at Kramatorsk airport, and a gunship destroyed.

But Kramatorsk civilians have also been killed by the rocket strike.


Second launch got residential barrios nearby, your video showed the first one. Terrorists killed 7 civilians and wounded 16 civilians during both strikes, and wounded 10 troops during the first one. I was impressed by a pic of a smerch missile ( I think it's tornado, but whatever) at somebodies balcony.

Pictures of the latest terrorist attack
http://m.censor.net.ua/photo_news/32401 ... toreportaj
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Re: Russia-Ukraine newsline/Freedom of speech

Unread postby JuanP » Tue 10 Feb 2015, 11:29:57

Thanks, Radon! Great thread. I just read this over at Russia Insider. Nothing new, just an overview of what has been happening in the former Ukraine.

Divergent Ukraine Narratives Could Lead to a Nuclear Crisis by Robert Parry:
http://russia-insider.com/en/ukraine_op ... 02/10/3311
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Re: Russia-Ukraine newsline/Freedom of speech

Unread postby radon1 » Tue 10 Feb 2015, 12:03:23

As of now, both Donbass and Ukrainian forces refuse that they did the Kramatorsk shelling.

http://www.microsofttranslator.com/bv.a ... ralya.html

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '1')0 February in 13:30 Moscow time the city of Kramatorsk, controlled by Ukrainian law-enforcers came under fire, presumably from the MLRS "Uragan" or "Smerch". Information that comes in is highly controversial.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n addition, local residents reported that shelling could have been made from Slavyansk, also controlled by Kiev.

Posts by locals:

Very powerful volleys were heard today an hour ago in Slavyansk, our friends saw no unexploded shells in Kramatorsk City Center afterwards ... Someone said that the airport was in fire.

A moment ago, the most powerful volleys were heard in Slavyansk in the direction of Kramatorsk and Artemovsk, my house walks back and forth


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko said that ... the airfield was attacked in the afternoon about an hour ago from multiple launch rocket systems "Grad" from the village of Gorlovka.

In turn, according to RIA Novosti, Donetsk Republic refuses the statement of the President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko about strikes in the city Kramatorsk.

"No strikes by any weapons in the direction of Kramatorsk were made by us", said the spokesman of the Donetsk army.

Summing up on the 17:00 (local time), there are a number of points which raise suspicions:

1. A few days ago, there have been reports from local residents that the SBU [Ukrainian Security Service], allegedly began evacuating their families from Kramatorsk and Slavyansk.

2. Poroshenko made a statement with the information about the weapons within 25 minutes after the incident. This information differed from reports from the field.

3. The incident took place on the territory that is not controlled by the authorities of the people's Republic of Donetsk, and there are doubts that the investigation into the attack, if any, will be fair.

4. Shelling of Kramatorsk, which killed civilians along with military, ended on Sunday on the eve of the next round of peace talks.

This is the "strangeness" that comes to mind forthwith, as well as a direct analogy with the firing of the bus in Volnovaha and provocation in Mariupol.


The point regarding Poroshenko's statement is spot on. They usually silence down grave disasters until they no longer can, but now Poro virtually immediately commented on the bomb-out of their chief headquarters (!) with the details at hand.

Videos:

http://youtu.be/RwbhMXPXuyM

http://youtu.be/sqs0g4PbNKo

http://youtu.be/Fre5FHYJ91c
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Re: Russia-Ukraine newsline/Freedom of speech

Unread postby radon1 » Tue 10 Feb 2015, 13:01:25

Ukrainian Shelling Hits a Canteen

http://youtu.be/00Lv74hGnYs?t=25s

Related mass media article: https://uk.news.yahoo.com/video-chaos-r ... ml#o9MBdt2
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Re: Russia-Ukraine newsline/Freedom of speech

Unread postby Withnail » Tue 10 Feb 2015, 13:28:07

Aftermath of the strike at Kramatorsk airport itself.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/9_XlnGKYNYQ
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Re: Russia-Ukraine newsline/Freedom of speech

Unread postby AgentR11 » Tue 10 Feb 2015, 13:35:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('radon1', 'A')s of now, both Donbass and Ukrainian forces refuse that they did the Kramatorsk shelling.


This is what cracks me up about this war; sorry, I know war is not funny, and the tragedy and all. But the above is just so absolutely backwards in every detail. Donbass forces should be like, "Heck yeah that was us, and more's on the way, a LOT more; you didn't want to remove your forces from our neighborhood, so we'll do it for you. No tip required."

An airport is a legit military target; and civilian casualties occurring during an operation on a legit target are regrettable, but they are in no way a war crime.

Heck, even if it were regime vs regime fighting, I'd *STILL* claim it!
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Re: Russia-Ukraine newsline/Freedom of speech

Unread postby Withnail » Tue 10 Feb 2015, 14:07:56

NAF volunteers near Debatselvo seem to be in good spirits.

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Where did she get that gun? Not sure what that is.
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Re: Russia-Ukraine newsline/Freedom of speech

Unread postby Withnail » Tue 10 Feb 2015, 16:23:52

http://www.ukrinform.ua/ukr/news/kilkis ... ya_2020176

Updated figures: 5 soldiers killed and 32 wounded in the Kramatorsk attack.

Pretty devastating.

Demoralised Ukrainian POWs await transport to camp.

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Re: Russia-Ukraine newsline/Freedom of speech

Unread postby Withnail » Tue 10 Feb 2015, 20:48:49

Lviv Battalion commander Ihor Volskyi killed by NAF near Debatselvo

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Re: Russia-Ukraine newsline/Freedom of speech

Unread postby radon1 » Tue 10 Feb 2015, 22:25:09

POW trade, part 5 (English translation)

http://youtu.be/WK18rJNssnI?list=UUVPYb ... jinWekjUBw

Previous parts:

Part 1(no video, English translation): http://youtu.be/iq8yUFrGjJ4?list=UUVPYb ... jinWekjUBw
Part 2(no video, English translation): http://youtu.be/aRHO6S1Ysj4?list=UUVPYb ... jinWekjUBw
Parts 3 and 4 (video available, English translation): http://youtu.be/AhoC4_ItsO4?list=UUVPYb ... jinWekjUBw
Summary part (video available, no translation): http://youtu.be/-lnzA8kBdR4?list=UUVPYb ... jinWekjUBw

The object features in the most popular TV talk show in Ukraine as a "pro-western anti-Russian human rights activist" (no translation): http://youtu.be/5TScXSg8omE

Numerous other public appearances and wide publicity with the Ukrainian TV and officialdom: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_q ... %D0%B7+200
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Re: Russia-Ukraine newsline/Freedom of speech

Unread postby radon1 » Tue 10 Feb 2015, 22:51:22

http://tass.ru/en/economy/776701?utm_me ... =ITAR-TASS

Russia not ready to restructure Ukraine’s debt despite Kiev's requests — finance minister

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')ISTANBUL, February 10. /TASS/. Ukraine asked Russia to restructure its debt in January 2015 but Moscow is not ready for such a step, Russian Finance Minister Anton Siluanov told journalists on Tuesday.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dina-badi ... 23636.html

Russia's Monroe Doctrine

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')eeing Russia's perspective is critical to resolving the problem. In the early 19th century, American concerns over European encroachment into the Western hemisphere resulted in the development of the Monroe Doctrine. It was a policy that considered any foreign interference in Latin America as an act of aggression that would warrant an American military response.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he Monroe Doctrine largely continues to stand today, and maintaining an American sphere of influence over Latin America is a far more sprawling dictum than keeping Ukraine pro-Russian.

Hence, Russia's concern. No sanctions, condemnation, or weapons will convince Russia that it should accept regional isolation and Western interference in Ukraine, the country that was really the last bastion of Russian influence in Eastern Europe. Russia's own limited version of the Monroe Doctrine should come as no surprise to the United States and should be well understood given our own history.
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Re: Russia-Ukraine newsline/Freedom of speech

Unread postby radon1 » Tue 10 Feb 2015, 23:42:05

Donbass, summary of the news and situational report, February 9-10

Video, English subtitles

http://cassad.net/tv/videos/4967/

Yesterday's protests in Kiev at the city's administration building against the doubling of the metro (underground) fares:

http://youtu.be/4mVGpaSb18A?t=51s

Interesting that they protest so fiercely against a hike from 2 hryvnas to 4 hryvnas for a single trip. Moscow's single trip fare is 40-50 roubles, and the current official exchange rate is 2.62 roubles per 1 hryvna. Kiev's fare is an order of magnitude lower than Moscow's.

Who's been subsidizing all these Kievan mooche... bloggers all this time, now that they are so unhappy and pro-whatever pro they are? Gimmi cheap NG, damn moscovites!
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