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Trains (from PO 2015 thread)

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Re: Trains (from PO 2015 thread)

Postby Newfie » Sun 18 Jan 2015, 12:51:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '&')quot;Yet we see no movement in this direction. Why?" We hate the poor, don't want to be accused of giving them a free ride.


Unfortunately I think there is too much truth to what you say.
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Re: Trains (from PO 2015 thread)

Postby vtsnowedin » Sun 18 Jan 2015, 13:24:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dashster', ' ')How about a steam engine that burns garbage? Should have plenty of cheap fuel for that vehicle.

In a post peak world there will be a lot less garbage to go around. You will have less money to purchase "stuff" after you have paid your energy bills and anything that can be recycled or burned at home for heat or will be sold for the heat value it carries. There will be little if any combustible refuse to power locomotives and it certainly would not be free or cheap.
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Re: Trains (from PO 2015 thread)

Postby Subjectivist » Sun 18 Jan 2015, 15:31:35

Someone recomended I look up the FL-9 and look what I found! Much too long to quote all of itbut here is the wiki link for it.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/EMD_FL9

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he FL9s could be considered successful, despite being under-powered compared to the powerful electrics they replaced, which also had their problems. However for other reasons, the New Haven never did abandon its electrification, negating the primary reason for purchasing the FL9s. In 1969, the New Haven FL9 fleet passed to Penn Central on the merger of the Pennsylvania Railroad and New York Central Railroad, and some were repainted in Penn Central schemes, while others remained in their former New Haven paint. When the New York Metropolitan Transportation Authority ("MTA") began funding these commuter services in 1970, many were repainted blue with a bright yellow nose, although they remained Penn Central-owned. The locomotives passed to Conrail in 1976. 12 FL9s were sold to Amtrak, six of which were remanufactured by Morrison Knudsen starting in 1978.

In 1983, Conrail passed its commuter operations to state agencies. In New York State, the MTA formed Metro-North Railroad as a subsidiary company to operate these, and operations in Connecticut under contract with that state. The locomotives were repainted in Metro-North colors, and a large number of them, now in some cases over 25 years old, were rebuilt and modernized. 10 rebuilt for the Connecticut Department of Transportation (CDOT) were painted in the original New Haven paint scheme, which has since been applied to remanufactured locomotives in the CDOT's Shoreline East service pool, and on four new GE Genesis II P32AC-DM dual-mode locomotives.

Many were replaced only in the early years of the 21st century by new power, a service life of almost 50 years. Metro-North and Connecticut DOT along with the Housatonic Railroad operated a "Farewell to the FL9's" fan trip from Stamford, CT to Canaan, CT and return on October 23, 2005. The last FL9 to see passenger service was in late 2009. Metro-North officially retired all remaining FL9s in 2009. Six owned by the Connecticut Department of Transportation are currently retired and are being stored in New Haven Yard awaiting sale.[1] The FL9s are restricted to branch lines since they no longer have the ability to operate on third rail power. A number have been donated to museums in the area; the Amtrak units were purchased by New Jersey's Morristown and Erie Railway for tourist train service, and two of them are now serving in Maine for the Maine Eastern Railroad in passenger service from Brunswick, where Amtrak Downeaster ends, to Rockland Maine. The Orford Express in eastern Quebec, Canada also has an operational FL9. From May 29 to June 1, 2014 a New Haven restored FL-9 # 2019 was in operation at the Streamliners at Spencer event in North Carolina. This unit was restored by the Railroad museum of New England.
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Re: Trains (from PO 2015 thread)

Postby Newfie » Sun 18 Jan 2015, 15:39:55

All manners ft odd ties have been tried. If you ever get to the German technical museum they have a three phase mail locomotive. From what I gather it was fully automated and ran In Underground tunnels. Rails were two phases and a pantograph rode on the third. Maybe 15' long IIRC.

then they have a model of a 3 phase full size loco. I think they built a real one. Three overhead wires, three pans. Can you imagine what a cross over looked like?
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Re: Trains (from PO 2015 thread)

Postby dashster » Sun 18 Jan 2015, 20:30:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dashster', ' ')How about a steam engine that burns garbage? Should have plenty of cheap fuel for that vehicle.

In a post peak world there will be a lot less garbage to go around. You will have less money to purchase "stuff" after you have paid your energy bills and anything that can be recycled or burned at home for heat or will be sold for the heat value it carries. There will be little if any combustible refuse to power locomotives and it certainly would not be free or cheap.


I would bet that most of the "purchased at the store" stuff in the trash comes from things you buy or can buy at the supermarket, not at a department store. If not, there still is a lot of stuff in there that did come from a supermarket. Ideally, that would all be recycled or composted. But we aren't there yet as we only recycle 34% of our waste according to the EPA. I think that until we get to 100% recycling and composting these million+ cities will be putting out enough burnable stuff to power all the locomotives we would need. Not free or cheap? I don't see that unless we get to the point some day where it is all being burned for electricity and none of it goes to landfills.
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Re: Trains (from PO 2015 thread)

Postby Newfie » Sun 18 Jan 2015, 20:41:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'A')ll manners ft odd ties have been tried. If you ever get to the German technical museum they have a three phase mail locomotive. From what I gather it was fully automated and ran In Underground tunnels. Rails were two phases and a pantograph rode on the third. Maybe 15' long IIRC.

then they have a model of a 3 phase full size loco. I think they built a real one. Three overhead wires, three pans. Can you imagine what a cross over looked like?


My apologies for the typos. I was rushed and didn't proof read, which happens all too frequently. :oops: First sentence should read....
All manner of odd types have been tried.
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