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Re: Elon Musk: Killer Robots will eliminate us all in 5-10 Y

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Re: Elon Musk: Killer Robots will eliminate us all in 5-10 Y

Postby Sixstrings » Sun 23 Nov 2014, 04:13:10

:lol:

I gotta stop thinking about AI, I'll get all wrapped in that worse than Ukraine.

Keith, here's a thought though -- that comic could be true. For all we know, if you do make a singularity AI, then it may just be happy left all alone.

It could sit and daydream and think and do whatever it wants to, like an internal virtual world. If it has free will, then why would it even want to bother talking the humans at the controls?

I can imagine that, scientists trying to get some climate change data crunching done, but the free will AI is having too much fun daydreaming and says "I don't wanna go to work."
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Re: Elon Musk: Killer Robots will eliminate us all in 5-10 Y

Postby dinopello » Sun 23 Nov 2014, 07:45:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', 'Y')es, and a piece of software than learn will be worth tens of billions, who knows how much.


Ha! I wish. Its an OK career but like any technique its all academic unless you can build a better mousetrap. The NEST stuff is an example. Musk thinks the NEST will gain awareness and kill us I guess. I have a NEST but haven't installed it yet. I don't really care about the learning aspect as much as the humidity sensing and incorporation into the control law. Google is integrating NEST with other devices including cameras. Maybe Musk is right and it is going to kill us. The first step is to observe for weakness

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Re: Elon Musk: Killer Robots will eliminate us all in 5-10 Y

Postby Newfie » Sun 23 Nov 2014, 22:56:17

There appears to be a group studying this at Cambridge.

http://cser.org/emerging-risks-from-technology/
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Re: Elon Musk: Killer Robots will eliminate us all in 5-10 Y

Postby dinopello » Thu 08 Jan 2015, 22:27:46

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Elon Musk talks about his investment in AI company Vicarious

It's "to keep an eye on them" so he knows when the killer robots are coming.

Vicarious actually looks like a fun company.

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Re: Elon Musk: Killer Robots will eliminate us all in 5-10 Y

Postby Lore » Thu 08 Jan 2015, 22:44:36

We are about to make jack s__t when it comes to any future super AI. The world's human inhabitants will soon be too busy out picking said s__t with the chickens to even approach such a scenario. Sorry to dissapoint any techno magical thinkers here.
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Re: Elon Musk: Killer Robots will eliminate us all in 5-10 Y

Postby dinopello » Fri 09 Jan 2015, 08:37:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'W')e are about to make jack s__t when it comes to any future super AI.


You may be right, but we already have robots and Elon Musk is very concerned that they will get super smart and decide they have to kill us. Musk says not to trust the robot because they say they are just doing it to pay their way through college.

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Re: Elon Musk: Killer Robots will eliminate us all in 5-10 Y

Postby vox_mundi » Sat 10 Jan 2015, 17:38:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', 'T')he data volumes we have today is incredible, but the interpretive processing is not even infantile. Swimming in collection systems, drowning in data.

We look up (and down) index-trees like we always did. Now we go sideways with acronym lists. No big deal. Not even infantile, just comp.sci.201.

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Looks like it's time to take comp.sci 301

This is what we had 5 years ago http://www.darpa.mil/NewsEvents/Budget.aspx

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '(')C//REL) The Sentient Enterprise tracks and manages thousands of exabytes of data every day (1 exabyte is the equivalent of 100,000 times the Library of Congress, which holds 19 million books), enabling iterative assessments in real time, not days or weeks. The enterprise is able to continuously and autonomously process, evaluate, and act on new data without regard to structure or format.

(S//REL) Self-Learning. The institutional knowledge of the Sentient Enterprise increases the user’s ability to recall events and significant facts to build relational awareness. Simultaneously, the human-machine interface enables the user to continuously refine the “algorithms” that translate human judgments into machine language so that the system actively learns.

(U) The Cognitive Computing Systems program element is budgeted in the Applied Research budget activity because it is developing the next revolution in computing and information processing technology that will enable computational systems to have reasoning and learning capabilities and levels of autonomy far beyond those of today's systems. The ability to reason, learn and adapt will raise computing to new levels of capability and powerful new applications. The Cognitive Computing project develops core technologies that enable computing systems to learn, reason and apply knowledge gained through experience, and respond intelligently to things that have not been previously encountered. These technologies will lead to systems demonstrating increased self-reliance, self-adaptive reconfiguration, intelligent negotiation, cooperative behavior and survivability with reduced human intervention.

(U) The Integrated Learning program is creating a new computer learning paradigm in which systems learn complex workflows from warfighters while the warfighters perform their regular duties. The effort is focused on military planning tasks such as air operations center planning and military medical logistics. With this learning technology, it will be possible to create many different types of military decision support systems that learn by watching experts rather than relying on expensive and error prone hand-encoded knowledge. The new learning paradigm differs from conventional machine learning in that it does not rely on large amounts of carefully crafted training data. Rather, in the new paradigm the learner works to “figure things out” by combining many different types of learning, reasoning, and knowledge. Such a cognitive system will ultimately need the capability to build and update its own internal model of the world and the objects in it without human input.

FY 2009 Accomplishments:
- Modified the integrated learning systems so they can incorporate new software components dynamically and utilize the new capabilities while learning.
- Created control algorithms for the systems that manage credit-and-blame assignment on a component-by-component basis so that if conflicts arise the system can reason about which piece of conflicting information is more likely to be accurate.
- Created control algorithms that reason about the costs/benefits of resolving a particular conflict and direct system performance accordingly.
- Evaluated systems by having them compete against expert humans.
FY 2010 Plans:
- Expand the scope of the problems being learned so the systems learn multi-user task models.
- Modify the integrated learning systems to be able to abstract the details of the process it is learning and learn general process or meta process knowledge.
- Extend capabilities of the integrated learning systems so they can share information (low-level data, mid-level hypothesis, and high-level conclusions) with other learners.
- Evaluate systems by having them compete against expert humans

(U) The Bootstrapped Learning program will provide computers with the capability to learn complex concepts the same way people do: from a customized curriculum designed to teach a hierarchy of concepts at increasing levels of complexity. Learning each new level depends on having successfully mastered the previous level's learning. In addition, the learning program will be “reprogrammable” in the field using the same modes of natural instruction used to train people without the need for software developers to modify the software code. At each level, a rich set of knowledge sources (such as training manuals, examples, expert behaviors, simulators, and references and specifications that are typically used by people learning to perform complex tasks) will be combined and used to generate concepts and a similar set of knowledge sources for the next level. This will enable rapid learning of complex high-level concepts, a capability which is essential for autonomous military systems that will need to understand not only what to do but, why they are doing it, and when what they are doing may no longer be appropriate.

FY 2009 Accomplishments:
- Developed a single system capable of being instructed to perform in three diverse domains.
- Demonstrated the ability of a system to repeatedly acquire new knowledge that drives future learning and cumulatively adds to the system’s knowledge.
- Validated through simulation that diagnosis, configuration and control of critical, autonomous military hardware can be addressed with bootstrapped learning technology.

FY 2010 Plans:
- Establish incontrovertible system generality by demonstrating learning performance in a “surprise” domain that is completely unknown to the learning system developers.
- Enhance system capabilities to include instructible situational awareness.

(U) The Machine Reading and Reasoning Technology program will develop enabling technologies to acquire, integrate, and use high performance reasoning strategies in knowledge-rich domains. Such technologies will provide DoD decision makers with rapid, relevant knowledge from a broad spectrum of sources that may be dynamic and/or inconsistent. To address the significant challenges of context, temporal information, complex belief structures, and uncertainty, new capabilities are needed to extract key information and metadata, and to exploit these via context-capable search and inference (both deductive and inductive). Machine reading addresses the prohibitive cost of handcrafting information by replacing the expert, and associated knowledge engineer, with un-supervised or self-supervised learning systems that “read” natural text and insert it into AI knowledge bases especially encoded to support subsequent machine reasoning. Machine reading requires the integration of multiple technologies: natural language processing must be used to transform the text into candidate internal representations, and knowledge representation and reasoning techniques must be used to test this new information to determine how it is to be integrated into the system’s evolving models so that it can be used for effective problem solving. These concepts and technology development efforts will continue in PE 0602305E, Project MCN-01 beginning in FY 2011.

FY 2009 Accomplishments:
- Initiated research into techniques for reasoning with ambiguous and conflicting information found in texts.
- Extended knowledge representation to support machine reading of large (e.g. open source web) amounts of material with the goal of encoding and querying at broad but shallow semantic levels.
- Produced domain representations that enable semi-supervised approaches to knowledge acquisition.

FY 2010 Plans:
- Demonstrate the ability of a system to acquire and organize factual information directly from unstructured narrative text in multiple domains.

Description: Biomimetic Computing's goal was to develop the critical technologies necessary for the realization of a cognitive artifact comprised of biologically derived simulations of the brain embodied in a mechanical (robotic) system, which is further embedded in a physical environment. These devices represent a new generation of autonomous flexible machines that are capable of pattern recognition and adaptive behavior and that demonstrate a level of learning and cognition. Key enabling technologies include simulation of brain-inspired neural systems and special purpose digital processing systems designed for this purpose.

FY 2011 Accomplishments:
- Demonstrated an autonomous robot with a simulated neural system capable of grasping a three-dimensional object as it enters the visual field and performing a mental rotation task on visual patterns by utilizing working memory

Description: The Mind's Eye program is developing a machine-based capability to learn generative representations of action between objects in a scene, directly from visual inputs, and then to reason over those learned representations. Mind's Eye will create the perceptual and cognitive underpinnings for reasoning about the action in scenes, enabling the generation of a narrative description of the action taking place in the visual field. The technologies developed under Mind's Eye have applicability in automated ground-based surveillance systems.

Foundational Learning Technology
(U) The Foundational Learning Technology program develops advanced machine learning techniques
that enable cognitive systems to continuously learn, adapt and respond to new situations by drawing
inferences from past experience and existing information stores. The techniques developed under
Foundational Learning Technology address diverse machine learning challenges in processing of
sensory inputs, language acquisition, combinatorial algorithms, strategic analysis, planning, reasoning,
and reflection. One very promising approach involves transfer learning techniques that transfer
knowledge and skills learned for specific situations to novel, unanticipated situations and thereby
enable learning systems to perform appropriately and effectively the first time a novel situation is
encountered.

Robust Robotics
(U) The Robust Robotics program is developing advanced robotic technologies that will enable
autonomous (unmanned) mobile platforms to perceive, understand, and model their environment;
navigate through complex, irregular, and hazardous terrain; manipulate objects without human control
or intervention; make intelligent decisions corresponding to previously programmed goals; and interact
cooperatively with other autonomous and manned vehicles.

The Visual Media Reasoning (VMR) program will create technologies to automate the analysis of enemy-recorded photos and videos and identify, within minutes, key information related to the content. Such identification will include the names of individuals within the image (who), the enumeration of the objects within the image and their attributes (what), and the image's geospatial location and time frame (where and when).

plus many, many, more


Everytime we use Google we are refining it's algorithms.

http://www.research.ibm.com/cognitive-c ... nZeHgjpLSY

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')BM’s brain-inspired architecture consists of a network of neurosynaptic cores. Cores are distributed and operate in parallel. Cores operate—without a clock—in an event-driven fashion. Cores integrate memory, computation, and communication. Individual cores can fail and yet, like the brain, the architecture can still function. Cores on the same chip communicate with one another via an on-chip event-driven network. Chips communicate via an inter-chip interface leading to seamless scalability like the cortex, enabling creation of scalable neuromorphic systems.

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The new chip is a component of a complete end-to-end vertically integrated ecosystem spanning a chip simulator, neuroscience data, supercomputing, neuron specification, programming paradigm, algorithms and applications, and prototype design models. The ecosystem supports all aspects of the programming cycle from design through development, debugging, and deployment.
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Re: Elon Musk: Killer Robots will eliminate us all in 5-10 Y

Postby vox_mundi » Sat 10 Jan 2015, 20:50:28

Robot Journalist Finds New Work on Wall Street

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '.').. Narrative Science is now renting out Quill’s writing skills to financial customers such as T. Rowe Price, Credit Suisse, and USAA to write up more in-depth, lengthy reports on the performance of mutual funds that are then distributed to investors or regulators.

“It goes from the job of a small army of people over weeks to just a few seconds,” says Frankel. “We do 10- to 15-page documents for some financial clients.”

An investment from In-Q-Tel, the CIA’s investment division, led the company to work from multiple U.S. intelligence agencies. Asked about that work, Frankel says only that “The communication challenges of the U.S. intelligence community are very similar to those of our other customers.” Altogether, Quill now churns out millions of words per day.

Companies can also tune Quill’s style and use of language based on what they need it to write. It can accentuate the positive in marketing copy, or go for exhaustive detail in a regulatory filing, for example.

Quill can also take an “angle” for a piece of writing. When writing about sports for an audience likely to favor a particular team, for instance, Quill can write a story that softens the blow of a loss.
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Re: Elon Musk: Killer Robots will eliminate us all in 5-10 Y

Postby vox_mundi » Mon 12 Jan 2015, 19:57:05

Scientists urge artificial intelligence safety focus

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he development of artificial intelligence is growing fast and hundreds of the world's leading scientists and entrepreneurs are urging a renewed focus on safety and ethics to prevent dangers to society.

An open letter was signed by famous physicist Stephen Hawking, Skype co-founder Jaan Tallinn, and SpaceX CEO Elon Musk along with some of the top minds from universities such as Harvard, Stanford, Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), Cambridge, and Oxford, and companies like Google, Microsoft and IBM.

"There is now a broad consensus that artificial intelligence (AI) research is progressing steadily, and that its impact on society is likely to increase," the letter said.

"The potential benefits are huge, since everything that civilization has to offer is a product of human intelligence; we cannot predict what we might achieve when this intelligence is magnified by the tools AI may provide, but the eradication of disease and poverty are not unfathomable," it added.

"Because of the great potential of AI, it is important to research how to reap its benefits while avoiding potential pitfalls."

How to handle the prospect of automatic weapons that might kill indiscriminately, the liabilities of automatically driven cars and the prospect of losing control of AI systems so that they no longer align with human wishes, were among the concerns raised in the letter that signees said deserve further research.


The full text appears at: http://futureoflife.org/misc/open_letter

http://futureoflife.org/static/data/doc ... rities.pdf
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Re: Elon Musk: Killer Robots will eliminate us all in 5-10 Y

Postby Subjectivist » Fri 16 Jan 2015, 18:54:00

Elton Musk put money where his mouth is.

http://youtu.be/vKC85-jnPpU
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'E')lon Musk is worried that AI will destroy humanity, and so he’s decided to donate $10 million toward research into how we can keep artificial intelligence safe. Musk, the CEO of Tesla and SpaceX, has previously expressed concern that something like what happens in The Terminator could happen in real life. He’s also said that AI is “potentially more dangerous than nukes.” The purpose of this donation is to both prevent that from happening and to ensure that AI is used for good and to benefit humanity.

http://lifeboat.com/blog/2015/01/elon-m ... ld-from-ai
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Re: Elon Musk: Killer Robots will eliminate us all in 5-10 Y

Postby Sixstrings » Fri 16 Jan 2015, 18:59:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Subjectivist', 'E')lton Musk put money where his mouth is.


He has plenty of both.

Just saying it before anyone else does. :lol:
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Re: Elon Musk: Killer Robots will eliminate us all in 5-10 Y

Postby dinopello » Fri 16 Jan 2015, 21:53:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Subjectivist', 'E')lton Musk put money where his mouth is.

http://youtu.be/vKC85-jnPpU
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'E')lon Musk is worried that AI will destroy humanity, and so he’s decided to donate $10 million toward research into how we can keep artificial intelligence safe. Musk, the CEO of Tesla and SpaceX, has previously expressed concern that something like what happens in The Terminator could happen in real life. He’s also said that AI is “potentially more dangerous than nukes.” The purpose of this donation is to both prevent that from happening and to ensure that AI is used for good and to benefit humanity.


Hey, I used to be a dues paying member of AAAI back when it was the American Association of Artificial Intelligence. I was an exhibitor at a couple of their trade conferences.

In that video, it is apparent just how scared Elon is of evil robots. He wants them, but only if they are going to be nice. He wants them to help mankind by eliminating drudgery for humans. Like, he wants robot to "do" the laundry:

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Re: Elon Musk: Killer Robots will eliminate us all in 5-10 Y

Postby Sixstrings » Sat 17 Jan 2015, 17:31:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'T')he best yet, Dino.


Someone should pick that for their forum avatar. :lol:
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Re: Elon Musk: Killer Robots will eliminate us all in 5-10 Y

Postby dinopello » Sat 24 Jan 2015, 10:36:56

Elon Musk to make declaration about what is best for humanity

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'i')n addition to Elon Musk and Stephen Hawking, many representing government regulators and some sitting on committees with names like “Presidential Panel on Long Term AI future,” offers a program professing to protect the mankind from the threat of “super-intelligent AIs. Which brings me back to the FLI letter. While individual investors have every right to lose their assets, the problem gets much more complicated when government regulators are involved. FLI letter signatories say: Do not to worry, “we” will allow “good” AI and “identify research directions” in order to maximize societal benefits and eradicate diseases and poverty. It is quite possible that signatories’ motives are pure. But at the moment the AI lobby has a near monopoly on forming public opinion and attracting government dollars through the influence of compliant media.


Hmm, I'm guessing Elon's companies will all be deemed to be doing the "good" stuff and not the stuff that will allow the killer robots to come get us.
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Re: Elon Musk: Killer Robots will eliminate us all in 5-10 Y

Postby dinopello » Fri 30 Jan 2015, 21:18:44

Add Bill Gates to the team that is scared of the AI and killer robots.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')In a Reddit “Ask Me Anything” this week, the tech entrepreneur said he is worried about the potential threat AI poses to humankind. “I agree with Elon Musk and some others on this and don't understand why some people are not concerned.”


He's probably recalling his OS rollouts

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Re: Elon Musk: Killer Robots will eliminate us all in 5-10 Y

Postby Sixstrings » Sat 31 Jan 2015, 16:32:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', 'A')dd Bill Gates to the team that is scared of the AI and killer robots.


This thread began with mocking Musk; since then, Stephen Hawking and Bill Gates have said the same thing. So I think Musk is vindicated, at this point.

Bill Gates is actually a very serious thinker; what more do you guys need at this point, a letter from the Pope too?
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Re: Elon Musk: Killer Robots will eliminate us all in 5-10 Y

Postby Lore » Sat 31 Jan 2015, 16:46:58

What would you expect from people that live and spend much of their time living and thinking in the cloud. The "Profits of Doom" placed AI dead last in things under our control that we have to worry about.
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