[jonouk]

http://lammas.org.uk/

[ralfy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '
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Yes, but that comes after Demographic Transition lowers the fertility rate.

[jedrider]

We just need to put Two + Two together and get the right answer. Searching for a thread on 'Eating' and I found this thread, instead. It will do:

[urlhttp://www.truthdig.com/report/item/saving_the_planet_one_meal_at_a_time_20141109[/url]

We will not have sustainable agriculture until we stop 'Eating' the planet to death.

It all started with the Paleo diet with Paleo man, 100,000 years ago.

[I've been vegetarian for five years now. I'm still around, too.]

[Shaved Monkey]

I dont think there was problem with paleo man he wasnt going to send anything extinct he was just part of the chain when we started with wheat cultivation,it gave man time to work out how to exploit things and allowed him to breed up to larger numbers that the simple paleo diet couldn't support

[DesuMaiden]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jedrider', 'W')e just need to put Two + Two together and get the right answer. Searching for a thread on 'Eating' and I found this thread, instead. It will do:

[urlhttp://www.truthdig.com/report/item/saving_the_planet_one_meal_at_a_time_20141109[/url]

We will not have sustainable agriculture until we stop 'Eating' the planet to death.

It all started with the Paleo diet with Paleo man, 100,000 years ago.

[I've been vegetarian for five years now. I'm still around, too.]

[lpetrich]

I'll return to the OP.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DesuMaiden', 'O')ur current agricultural system is not sustainable. It is totally and utterly reliant on fossil fuels. When you take fossil fuels out of the equation, we will not be able to produce food at the levels we are right now. Food production will go down when you take oil out of the equation. When food production goes down, then there will be massive starvation and famine.

How do we create an agricultural system that is not dependent on fossil fuels, and yet can feed the population of the world? We need to be able to feed our current population without the use of petro-chemicals, which will be a huge challenge in the years to come, as our petroleum supply continues to contract.

[careinke]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lpetrich', 'I')'ll return to the OP.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DesuMaiden', 'O')ur current agricultural system is not sustainable. It is totally and utterly reliant on fossil fuels. When you take fossil fuels out of the equation, we will not be able to produce food at the levels we are right now. Food production will go down when you take oil out of the equation. When food production goes down, then there will be massive starvation and famine.

How do we create an agricultural system that is not dependent on fossil fuels, and yet can feed the population of the world? We need to be able to feed our current population without the use of petro-chemicals, which will be a huge challenge in the years to come, as our petroleum supply continues to contract.

[Pops]

The only real sustainable ag is less intensive farming practices that do not export more fertility from the land than they return, and do not destroy or erode topsoil.

I'm from California and have many times used CA agriculture to illustrate the regional specialization of ag globally and how that concentration is a huge danger. I'm talking about how cheap transportation has allowed crop production to concentrate in the most favorable climate for particular crops, on a global scale. Then that region becomes the dominate producer due to expansion of the specialized infrastructure for that particular crop. When I left CA 10 years ago almonds were a big thing here, when I moved back I was astounded at the acreage now being converted to almond orchards, It is simply amazing. The harvest is now 3 times what it was in the 90's when I left and CA produces more than 80% of the world's almonds.

It is pretty amazing, the valley is wall to wall, top to bottom trees. the West side which was once all row crops is all trees, the eastern foothills which were once grazing land is all trees the south valley that once was cotton is increasingly trees.

Obviously, growing and shipping 85% of the world supply of almonds is not sustainable. But ...

One of the early books to identify this type of ag was "Tree Crops, A permanent Agriculture." It was written back in the 20's (way before the copyright mark was attached to "Permaculture") and pointed out how chestnut trees in Corsica had been grown on hillsides there for hundreds of years, feeding the inhabitants without ruining the land.

[careinke]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '
')One of the early books to identify this type of ag was "Tree Crops, A permanent Agriculture." It was written back in the 20's (way before the copyright mark was attached to "Permaculture") and pointed out how chestnut trees in Corsica had been grown on hillsides there for hundreds of years, feeding the inhabitants without ruining the land.

[DesuMaiden]

I have come to realize the only way we can survive as a species in the long term is to abandon the catastrophic practice of totalitarian agriculture. Totalitarian agriculture is what got us into this mess in the first place, and we must abandon it if we ever want a sustainable future. This will be difficult to do because our population wouldn't be so big in the first place if it wasn't for totalitarian agriculture. Without totalitarian agriculture, there wouldn't be billions of people on this planet.

But this planet was never meant for the sole purpose of human in habitation in the first place, contrary to what totalitarian agriculture preaches. Mankind can only achieve happiness if he realizes that he lives on a finite planet, and that he must live in balance with all of the plant and animal life on this planet. Without this, mankind can never achieve true happiness.

We need to realize this planet was never designed for the sole purpose of human use and inhabitation. This planet was designed for the habitation of millions of other species. Unless man can regain the harmony he had with nature before the invention of totalitarian agriculture, there will never be true happiness on this planet.

In order to regain balance with this planet, billions of people need to die, so that other animals can survive. A maximum of 1 billion people on this planet is the sustainable population without oil. Without totalitarian agriculture, most of humanity wouldn't exist because most of the Earth's land wouldn't be used solely for human food production.

I believe Jared Diamond is correct in saying that agriculture was the biggest mistake mankind ever made. What he meant by agriculture was totalitarian agriculture. Totalitarian agriculture is the root of most of the world's problems, and by abandoning it, we can create a much better world for the future of our species.

[Loki]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '
')One of the early books to identify this type of ag was "Tree Crops, A permanent Agriculture." It was written back in the 20's (way before the copyright mark was attached to "Permaculture") and pointed out how chestnut trees in Corsica had been grown on hillsides there for hundreds of years, feeding the inhabitants without ruining the land.

[Loki]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'D')esu, livestock are self-motivated by their own genetic predisposition to gather cellulosic material and convert it into amino acids, lipids, nutrients that humans require. All we have to do is kill and eat them. That is sustainable agriculture. It is only necessary to get over that vegan thing.

[DesuMaiden]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'D')esu, livestock are self-motivated by their own genetic predisposition to gather cellulosic material and convert it into amino acids, lipids, nutrients that humans require. All we have to do is kill and eat them. That is sustainable agriculture. It is only necessary to get over that vegan thing.