[GoghGoner]

To combine permanent and agriculture in one word doesn't seem very logical. I think it more like a religion, too. On a long enough timescale, nothing is sustainable even time itself.

[careinke]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GoghGoner', 'T')o combine permanent and agriculture in one word doesn't seem very logical.

[DesuMaiden]

I guess it is only inevitable that billions of people will die once oil becomes too expensive to afford? Let's just hope I'm not one of the people who dies from this die-off.

[Shaved Monkey]

The long pig burger chain will be able to feed the world sustainably.
If you dont like the idea of red meat add a crayfish farm into the loop.
Anything else will fail because it doesn't address the if you can feed them you will breed them dilemma.

[Shaved Monkey]

They like rotten meat
A bit of Western Australian folklore/probably true is if you want to dispose of a corpse you tie it to some stove parts(easily accessible heavy cast iron) and feed the crays. (cray bait).

I also remember Bill Mollison joking (probably a bit serious too) talking about turning ground floor apartments or the car parks into cray farms as a sustainable solution to get rid of the bodies as solution to feeding the survivors after rising sea levels.

[DesuMaiden]

The only reason there is 7 billion people on this planet is because of oil. If you take the oil away, then the population must also go away. There hasn't been a single instance where a population overshoot isn't met with a population die off later. This is a law as fundamental as thermodynamics of gravity. It doesn't matter if it is a population of bacteria in a petri dish or a population of caribou on an arctic island. When the population exponentially increases because of favorable conditions and then the favorable conditions are taken away, the population will crash and decrease rapidly.

The same rule applies to human population. Once there are insufficient oil supplies to meet the demand of the human population, there will be a population crash or die off. Billions of people will die of starvation, as there will no longer be sufficient fossil fuels to produce sufficient amount of food for them.

[Pops]

As usual the real reasons are a little more complex. Total population increased because the mortality rate fell faster than the birth rate.



But the reasons for that are more involved than simply oil powered traction and fertilizer. A lot has to do with the discovery of germ theory, public sanitation and antibiotics and vaccines rather than just more food. Granted, the time to investigate and discover those ideas was aided in great part by energy slaves taking over some of the jobs we had previously done ourselves, but regardless, those genies aren't going back into the bottle in some overnight slate wiper.

As that diagram illustrates, it is entirely likely that continuing declines in the birth rate could in fact cause the population to naturally decrease. Not a great plot for a disaster flick tho ...

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DesuMaiden', 'T')he only reason there is 7 billion people on this planet is because of oil.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'A')s that diagram illustrates, it is entirely likely that continuing declines in the birth rate could in fact cause the population to naturally decrease.

[Lore]

I agree, if anything we will see higher birth rates in the future along with greater infant mortality.

[DesuMaiden]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DesuMaiden', 'T')he only reason there is 7 billion people on this planet is because of oil.

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'A')s that diagram illustrates, it is entirely likely that continuing declines in the birth rate could in fact cause the population to naturally decrease.

[DesuMaiden]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DesuMaiden', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '
')Food for thought:

We see reports that "we must increase food production to feed a growing population."

It should read, "we have a growing population because we did feed it." Oh, my!

Nothing grows without an input of energy, humans or otherwise.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DesuMaiden', 'Y')eah but without oil, we wouldn't be able to feed 7 billion people. Sure, the discovery of germ theory, antibiotics and vaccines decreased death rates and increased the population too, but without oil, none of those discoveries would have happened. Oil was the biggest reason for the increase in population during the past two centuries.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', ' ')Humans are not yeast, we could choose a better path.

[DesuMaiden]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DesuMaiden', 'Y')eah but without oil, we wouldn't be able to feed 7 billion people. Sure, the discovery of germ theory, antibiotics and vaccines decreased death rates and increased the population too, but without oil, none of those discoveries would have happened. Oil was the biggest reason for the increase in population during the past two centuries.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DesuMaiden', 'Y')ou are right.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DesuMaiden', ' ')By the way, the world reached 1 billion people in 1804 and not 1850s.