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Re: "political-legal welfare system"

Unread postby Quinny » Sat 16 Aug 2014, 15:35:35

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Re: "political-legal welfare system"

Unread postby americandream » Sat 16 Aug 2014, 16:41:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Strummer', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KaiserJeep', 'A')s for the USA "taking over an entire continent", that is absolute libel. It is true that the pre-Christopher Columbus population of the North American continent may have numbered as many as 50 to 100 million people, but the native populations were devastated by European diseases (smallpox, influenza, bubonic plague and pneumonic plagues) in a time before the USA existed and before there was a theory of disease that included germs.


That's why I said "taking over". What or who killed the natives is irrelevant. The point is that the European settlers did in fact take over a whole continent full of unimaginable resources and wealth. The USA is basically what you get after you give the Germans an unlimited Lebensraum.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KaiserJeep', 'A')s for the "Maiden Coup", I had to look that one up. It is absolutely true that the USAID organization donated $421,000 to the Ukraine before the fighting began, when it was still a political street protest. It is true that Senator John McCain gave a speech to the crowd. But if you think either of those actions constituted an endorsement or support of the separatists, you are mistaken. The $421,000 would not even have paid for the missile they shot down the airliner with. We all know - including you - that Vladimir Putin is supporting the separatists.


You are extremely confused and the above makes no sense whatsoever. Please don't mention Ukraine ever again, you are just embarassing yourself.


Imperial conquest is both tragic but inevitable in certain contexts and an aspect of our history to date, from the first cave dwellers who took possession of the neighbouring cave and imposed their values to the current form of the world, (in the case of the US, English social relations...nothing remotely connected with Germany.)

Where the folly arises is when we, in our sentient state with all that offers, remains stoically unable to understand these forces for whatever reason and allow the social relations to take us down paths that are essentially of harm to us in the long run. Paradoxically, once attaining these levels of awareness sets in motion objective forces that CONTAIN the core elements of sustainable interdependence. In other words, the high civilisation of mutuality.
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Re: "political-legal welfare system"

Unread postby KaiserJeep » Sat 16 Aug 2014, 18:21:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('basil_hayden', 'H')ey WindBag -

Ever hear of Geronimo? I think he and his entourage died of lead.

Now put down the flag and come out with you baby booming asshands up.


Yes, I have heard of Geronimo. After a brief history as an Apache warrior fighting the Republic of Texas and Mexico, he was captured and became a celebrity in the USA at the 1909 World's Fair in St. Louis, where he said:

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')When I was at first asked to attend the St. Louis World's Fair I did not wish to go. Later, when I was told that I would receive good attention and protection, and that the President of the United States said that it would be all right, I consented ... Every Sunday the President of the Fair sent for me to go to a wild west show. I took part in the roping contests before the audience. There were many other Indian tribes there, and strange people of whom I had never heard ... I am glad I went to the Fair. I saw many interesting things and learned much of the white people. They are a very kind and peaceful people. During all the time I was at the Fair no one tried to harm me in any way. Had this been among the Mexicans I am sure I should have been compelled to defend myself often.
—Geronimo, Geronimo's story of his life, At the World's Fair, 1909.


No, he didn't die of lead. He took a drunken tumble off his horse and developed pneumonia while bedridden and recovering. He died in bed from his injuries.

Later on his name was adopted by the 501st Parachute Infantry Regiment of the US Army:
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...although all US Army paratroopers are taught to shout "Geronimo!" as they exit the airplane.
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Re: "political-legal welfare system"

Unread postby KaiserJeep » Sat 16 Aug 2014, 18:50:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', '-')snip-

Imperial conquest is both tragic but inevitable in certain contexts and an aspect of our history to date, from the first cave dwellers who took possession of the neighbouring cave and imposed their values to the current form of the world, (in the case of the US, English social relations...nothing remotely connected with Germany.)

Where the folly arises is when we, in our sentient state with all that offers, remains stoically unable to understand these forces for whatever reason and allow the social relations to take us down paths that are essentially of harm to us in the long run. Paradoxically, once attaining these levels of awareness sets in motion objective forces that CONTAIN the core elements of sustainable interdependence. In other words, the high civilisation of mutuality.


"Imperial Conquest"? What Imperial Conquest? The USA was never an Empire and once the settlers started pushing their frontier Westward, the few Native American survivors of the European plagues of 300 years past were put on "Indian Reservations", as a result of the basic Democratic Party plank called "Indian Relocation", which was Andrew Jackson's way of uniting his political base. "Indian Removal" was the unifying force of the Democrats from their founding in 1814 up until 1858, when the Indians were all on reservations, and wealthy Southern Democrats possessed huge plantations on the former Indian lands.

In 1858, the Democrats started rallying behind a pro-slavery party plank, because those upstart new "Republicans" had founded a party led by Abraham Lincoln, and it's primary plank was the emancipation of the Black Slaves that supported the Southern economy.

The only ghost of an Imperial Conquest was a period during which Imperial Britain contested with France over territory in the North American continent, and France hired Indian mercenaries with trade goods, the conflict became known as the "French and Indian Wars". These conflicts actually shed more blood in the decade before the Revolutionary War than did the American revolution itself, the legacy of that conflict is the border between the USA and the French-Canadian province of Quebec.

I honestly have never seen such bizarre and fundamentally mistaken views of History as come out of the mouths of Marxists.
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Re: "political-legal welfare system"

Unread postby americandream » Sat 16 Aug 2014, 19:09:44

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Re: "political-legal welfare system"

Unread postby phaster » Mon 25 Aug 2014, 20:08:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'J')ust like in lots of other areas of government, bureaucrats and congress got fat and sassy and gave away too much and we need to re-think our situation. I think the idea of a pension at 60 or 65 is fine for a career in government, just not a 40 year pension for a 20 year career.


fat and sassy (i.e. entitled and ignorant) has sadly become the norm for too many of those who have a career in government!

Speaking of "pensions" there was just a Wall St. Journal article about the SD pension board using "leverage" and perhaps not fully understanding its a risky strategy!!

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Wall St. Journal article', '&')quot;Simply put, it could have a market exposure of $20 billion despite only managing half that amount."

http://online.wsj.com/articles/san-dieg ... 1407974779

now google "buying stocks on margin" and check out the first search result, you will see the math is pretty simple to understand:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A') Buying Power Example
Let's say that you deposit $10,000 in your margin account. Because you put up 50% of the purchase price, this means you have $20,000 worth of buying power.

http://www.investopedia.com/university/ ... argin1.asp

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')eturning to our example of exaggerated profits, say that instead of rocketing up 25%, our shares fell 25%. Now your investment would be worth $15,000 (200 shares x $75). You sell the stock, pay back your broker the $10,000, and end up with $5,000. That's a 50% loss, plus commissions and interest, which otherwise would have been a loss of only 25%.

Think a 50% loss is bad? It can get much worse. Buying on margin is the only stock-based investment where you stand to lose more money than you invested. A dive of 50% or more will cause you to lose more than 100%, with interest and commissions on top of that.

http://www.investopedia.com/university/ ... argin4.asp
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