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Unread postby Granny-May » Mon 20 Jun 2005, 18:01:11

Does anyone know what's up with this item? It seems like old news, but neither my husband nor I caught wind of it until today and we both receive lots of newsgroup info and read more than enough on our own. How could this slip by? Maybe too much rain and snow made us duh-like?

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"Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to repeal the 22nd amendment to the Constitution. (Introduced in House)

HJ 24 IH

109th CONGRESS
1st Session
H. J. RES. 24

Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to repeal the 22nd amendment to the Constitution."

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

February 17, 2005

Mr. HOYER (for himself, Mr. BERMAN, Mr. SENSENBRENNER, Mr. SABO, and Mr. PALLONE) introduced the following joint resolution; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary

JOINT RESOLUTION

Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to repeal the 22nd amendment to the Constitution.

Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled (two-thirds of each House concurring therein), That the following article is proposed as an amendment to the Constitution of the United States, which shall be valid to all intents and purposes as part of the Constitution when ratified by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several States within seven years after the date of its submission for ratification:

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`The twenty-second article of amendment to the Constitution of the United States is repealed.'.

The 22nd Amendment

Section 1. No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this Article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this Article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this Article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.

Section. 2. This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several States within seven years from the date of its submission to the States by the Congress.

Ratification was completed on February 27, 1951."

More here: http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/w ... ment.shtml

I find this very disturbing for too many reasons and have sent an email to my Congressman to get the dirt.

I look forward to hearing that I'm just retarded rather than some other possibilities.

Thanks- Charlotte
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Unread postby crude_intentions » Mon 20 Jun 2005, 18:09:32

If they think they can give Bush a third term thier out of thier Minds. Americans would Reject a Dynasty outright. Not to mention Bushs poll numbers are in the Toliet. Bush could'nt get elected Dog Catcher as it stands right now. and if he's free to run again, then so's Bill Clinton. :o
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Unread postby Granny-May » Mon 20 Jun 2005, 18:56:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('crude_intentions', 'I')f they think they can give Bush a third term thier out of thier Minds. Americans would Reject a Dynasty outright.


I'm of the opinion that the current dope is on the ropes right now. My concern is that this could go hand in hand with the expansion of the Patriot Act and allow the next chosen boy to become a virtual sovereign.

I'm no wizard, but I don't see that this would bode well for the US or the rest of the world.

-Charlotte
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Unread postby crude_intentions » Mon 20 Jun 2005, 19:21:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Granny-May', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('crude_intentions', 'I')f they think they can give Bush a third term thier out of thier Minds. Americans would Reject a Dynasty outright.


I'm of the opinion that the current dope is on the ropes right now. My concern is that this could go hand in hand with the expansion of the Patriot Act and allow the next chosen boy to become a virtual sovereign.

I'm no wizard, but I don't see that this would bode well for the US or the rest of the world.

-Charlotte


The minute they do that, expect to see me and the rest of the 2nd Continental Army Storm Washington in about 3 days afterwards

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Unread postby DriveElectric » Mon 20 Jun 2005, 19:30:00

Idiot members of Congress file all sorts of bills and amendments to the constitution. 99% of them never get heard again after they are filed. Something like 300 have been filed in US history. Most are filed for publicity reasons so the member of Congress can issue a press release for some silly reason.
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Unread postby k_semler » Mon 20 Jun 2005, 19:45:56

This is 100% real as verified by GovTrack.us:

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=hj109-24

THIS MUST NOT PASS!!!
Here Lies the United States Of America.

July 04, 1776 - June 23 2005

Epitaph: "The Experiment Is Over."

Rest In Peace.

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Unread postby ArimoDave » Mon 20 Jun 2005, 19:52:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('crude_intentions', '
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The minute they do that, expect to see me and the rest of the 2nd Continental Army Storm Washington in about 3 days afterwards

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What is going to take you so long to get there.
We should be in place before the final vote,
not arriving afterward.

Peaceably of course -- unless . . . .

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Unread postby whirljack » Mon 20 Jun 2005, 20:00:22

Constitutional amendments usually take years to get passed. I doubt this was proposed with the intention of getting W elected a third time. Repeal it, I say. I agree with Kos that term limits are undemocratic.
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Unread postby Granny-May » Mon 20 Jun 2005, 21:04:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('whirljack', ' ')Repeal it, I say. I agree with Kos that term limits are undemocratic.


I must say that I agree with ksemler here. Our Constitutional Rights have already been diluted. As a law abiding and contributing citizen I seriously resent that some dick from east dick-over would try to usurp my Constitutional Rights.

Term limits were put in place by deep thinking leaders in the past who could foresee the problems we would face in the future.

What could you be thinking??

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Unread postby Cool Hand Linc » Mon 20 Jun 2005, 21:14:18

Just think if this had been the law when Clinton was in office. He could has served another term.
Peace out!

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Unread postby Specop_007 » Mon 20 Jun 2005, 21:42:12

You guys know whats funny?
200 some odd years ago the people of this country went to war over a 1% tax.
Now? Shit, You couldnt get the average Joe to get off his fat ass to even write his Senator or Congressman over a 10% tax, let alone pick up a gun and make a difference.
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Unread postby whirljack » Mon 20 Jun 2005, 21:43:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Granny-May', 'W')hat could you be thinking??


I may be wrong, but since the repeal of the 18th amendment (that'd be the prohibition one), this is the only amendment to the Constitution that actually limits our rights.

Even Bill Clinton stated, two years ago, that he was in favoring of modifying the 22nd.

Wikipedia 22nd Amendment Entry
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Unread postby Granny-May » Mon 20 Jun 2005, 21:57:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cool Hand Linc', 'J')ust think if this had been the law when Clinton was in office. He could has served another term.


I have to say again that my concern is with the expansion of the Patriot Act coupled with the potential for unlimited term for any critter who fills the roll of "President". I don't differentiate between GWB, Clinton or Eisenhower. Which one knew of and tried to offset the dangers of unlimited terms?

Quiz!

Hint: (it's the old-school guy.)

Please correct me if I'm wrong and I will apologize for being a product of the public school system.

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Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Mon 20 Jun 2005, 22:01:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('crude_intentions', 'N')ot to mention Bushs poll numbers are in the Toliet. Bush could'nt get elected Dog Catcher as it stands right now.


I don't think you're thinking through this thoroughly. This is not unprecidented. Bush's approval sucked once before. His approval ratings were poor. Every city that he visited in Europe was erupting into riots. Everywhere you looked there were bumperstickers talking about stolen elections.

That was the summer and early fall of 2001. By September 12th, all the "Re-elect Gore in 2004" stickers had been hastily scraped off and replaced with "God Bless America" stickers. Suddenly his approval ratings were toping 90%.

IMHO, 9-11 was only the opening shot. What's gonna happen when Bush et al set off a back-pack nuke in Cleveland and blame it on Al Queda?
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Unread postby DriveElectric » Mon 20 Jun 2005, 22:08:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '
')IMHO, 9-11 was only the opening shot. What's gonna happen when Bush et al set off a back-pack nuke in Cleveland and blame it on Al Queda?


That has to be one of the more looney posts I have read lately.

Aaron, where are you digging these moderators up from? Al Jazeera's newsroom?
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Unread postby Granny-May » Mon 20 Jun 2005, 22:27:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'Y')ou guys know whats funny?
200 some odd years ago the people of this country went to war over a 1% tax.
Now? Shit, You couldnt get the average Joe to get off his fat ass to even write his Senator or Congressman over a 10% tax, let alone pick up a gun and make a difference.


I hear you and agree, but don't understand your stance on the repeal of the 22nd Amendment.

We have no firearms in our home at this time, but I am willing to pick up the Porter Cable pneumatic that fires 2-1/2" finish nails at rapid fire (with an OSHA unapproved retrofit)
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If that fails, the Millwaukee Sawzall with a 14" blade will have to suffice for close range. Do you recommend the multi-blade or metal cutting for this use?? Is it important to use Lennox blades?

We do have pit bulls and long-handled shovels for back up.

What does this have to do with the topic?

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Unread postby Granny-May » Mon 20 Jun 2005, 22:47:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('crude_intentions', 'N')ot to mention Bushs poll numbers are in the Toliet. Bush could'nt get elected Dog Catcher as it stands right now.


I don't think you're thinking through this thoroughly.


George Jr. could easily be used as a scape goat (by his own) and replaced with a much nastier type. Or he could be re-not-elected.

The basic question is one of term limits that could prevent a virtual empire. There are plenty of questions about what exists now, but let's at least keep them scurrying every few years.

-Charlotte
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Unread postby erl » Tue 21 Jun 2005, 00:06:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Granny-May', 'T')erm limits were put in place by deep thinking leaders in the past who could foresee the problems we would face in the future.


So, Republicans are deep thinkers now?

The 22nd Amendment was introduced and passed while the Republicans controlled the congress back in the late forties. It was enacted in 1951 or thereabouts. It was directly in response to FDR's unprecedented four terms in office. Before that, tradition, yes tradition and nothing but tradition was all that kept Presidents from seeking more than two terms. Those that did, always lost. And there haven't been many.

The attempt to repeal the 22nd amendment comes up every few years. It came up when Reagan was in his second term. It came up when Clinton was in his second term. It always comes up when some President is in his second term. It will probably come up when Hillary is in her second term.

After passing both houses of congress it must be ratified by three quarters of all the states. Not an easy task.

Other amendments that are now currently pending include repealing the provision of the constitution that says only U.S. born citizens can run for President. Know who that is being introduced for?

Big Arnold, yaah.
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Unread postby Dezakin » Tue 21 Jun 2005, 00:45:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') may be wrong, but since the repeal of the 18th amendment (that'd be the prohibition one), this is the only amendment to the Constitution that actually limits our rights.


You're wrong.

The 14th ammendment certainly limited our rights in that it forces states to endure the provisions of the US constitution, so you can't vote away your neighbor's right to not go to the same church you go to in your state. Similarly the 10th ammendment has been so perverted by the Wickard decision that anything the fed wants to regulate it calls commerce.

And you're wrong about the 22nd actually limiting your rights in practice though perhaps in theory. Do you get to chose the president in the primaries? Theoretically you do, but in practice its all backroom dealmaking and exchanges of monies. Does anyone dare not to run the incumbant? Political reality denies you that choice also. I prefer the 22nd where it is: Denying us 3 terms of Clinton and 3 terms of Bush is fine with me.
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Unread postby Grimnir » Tue 21 Jun 2005, 06:42:03

This bill was introduced in February and has been mildewing in subcomittee ever since then. It's not going anywhere. I seem to recall a similar bill a few years back that met the same fate. Ah yes, here it is:

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c108:H.J.RES.11.IH:
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