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Re: POW Bergdahl, "ashamed to be an American"

Unread postby Oneaboveall » Tue 10 Jun 2014, 19:42:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'o')neaboveall

Your elliptical political style speaks volumes for the general state of confusion...

My political style is comparable to fitness machine?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elliptical_trainer

Despite some disagreements, I always respected your opinion and felt we agreed more than we disagreed. I'm really surprised at the attacks. I'd expect that from Cog, Plantagenet, or Pretorian, but from you?

I'm sorry that I'm not easily classified, but that's me. I agree with somethings and disagree with others.

My politics was also formed by a lot of the Punk music I would listen to, In response to your insult of "tosser" please accept "Wankers" by The Exploited as my response:

http://youtu.be/YU-qtxgn06s

Also: This image I found on Deviantart:
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And "Kill a Commie" by Gang Green:

http://youtu.be/-1Ft72ZZQBY
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Re: POW Bergdahl, "ashamed to be an American"

Unread postby americandream » Tue 10 Jun 2014, 22:48:41

oneaboveall

Generally, I consider much of what emerges from capitalism, generally decadent, including the cynicism and relativism. In addition, the issues as regards Obama are very clear. Whether a half wit is offended by his blackness or Kenyanness is not the issue. Obama represents all that is fundamentally flawed concernd with capitalism including a tendency to live in a world of make believe. His skewed economic policies and his pathetic attempts at trying to remedy the climate ills of capitalism are the issues, the ones we are wiser to concentrate on..the marginal issues hysterically attacked by the stupid should be of little concern to the politically serious. The working class are by and large concerned with bread and butter concerns and that is where the focus should be.

I variously listen to all genres of rock music including punk having been raised in the UK. Pleasant to listen to but not, IMHO, somewhere to formulate my political views. The music industry like the rest of capitalist social culture and much of the social culture in general, tends to warble on about certain isues with little action to be seen.

It is up to us to bring this systems flaws out and then deal with them. Trendy musicians, well turned out movie stars etc, etc, belong, in my world anyways, in the moments when I, like anyone else, indulge in a bit of self indulgent leisure. I just don't take them serious.
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Re: POW Bergdahl, "ashamed to be an American"

Unread postby Pops » Wed 11 Jun 2014, 07:48:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'W')hether a half wit is offended by his blackness or Kenyanness is not the issue.

Unfortunately it is an in America.

But the point of the joke is really not so much that he is black, you could almost understand that, the irony of the joke is that the republican party in total decided that it would simply oppose any action Obama and the Democrats take regardless of their prior support or the effect on the country - because the best way for them to "win" the next election was for Obama to fail on all counts. His being black just helped them with a certain segment of their constituency.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')the author's book] reveals some of my reporting on the Republican plot to obstruct President Obama before he even took office, including secret meetings led by House GOP whip Eric Cantor (in December 2008) and Senate minority leader Mitch McConnell (in early January 2009) in which they laid out their daring (though cynical and political) no-honeymoon strategy of all-out resistance to a popular President-elect during an economic emergency. “If he was for it,” former Ohio Senator George Voinovich explained, “we had to be against it.”
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“It was stunning that we’d set this up and, before hearing from the President, they’d say they were going to oppose this,” Axelrod says. “Our feeling was, we were dealing with a potential disaster of epic proportions that demanded cooperation. If anything was a signal of what the next two years would be like, it was that.”

http://swampland.time.com/2012/08/23/th ... uct-obama/


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Did I mention that Eric Cantor was defeated in the primary nomination election last night by a guy who says Cantor was not conservative enough?
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Re: POW Bergdahl, "ashamed to be an American"

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Wed 11 Jun 2014, 10:18:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '
')Did I mention that Eric Cantor was defeated in the primary nomination election last night by a guy who says Cantor was not conservative enough?


Not "conservative" they are neoconfederate. Many of them want to blow up the world economy as revenge for losing the Civil War. That district should have been safe for Cantors entire career, but the base is demanding the end of the world.
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Re: POW Bergdahl, "ashamed to be an American"

Unread postby americandream » Thu 12 Jun 2014, 01:36:08

I get your point Pops. I find myself somewhat irritated at times that political discourse has now reduced itself to communicating with donkies whilst the real issues surrounding Obama and all capitalist leaders is lost.
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Re: POW Bergdahl, "ashamed to be an American"

Unread postby Plantagenet » Thu 12 Jun 2014, 02:20:53

Now the White House is claiming the bergdahl swap was all hagel's idea and Obama knew nothing

I wonder if obama's "I knew nothing" excuse will hold together on this one? Given that that Obama held a rose garden press conference and took full credit for bergdahl it's hard to imagine anyone would ever believe the WH claim that Obama knew nothing and is as surprised as can be that this happened :roll:
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Re: POW Bergdahl, "ashamed to be an American"

Unread postby Sixstrings » Thu 12 Jun 2014, 18:15:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Oneaboveall', '
')Perhaps, as a mod, you can explain this to americandream.


AD isn't from the US, so he doesn't get the joke.

American Dream: the point of the joke is that if Obama is for something, then our conservatives are against it, whatever it is.

I have a more nuanced view on it, that, *they just do not trust him* and I can see why. Look at Syria and that whole debacle about whether to fire off cruise missiles at Assad, then following Putin at the last minute, and now everything that's happened since.

I don't know much about Benghazi, and why R's are so stuck on it when there are bigger problems with O's foreign policy.

But they do not trust him and his team to handle these things. They don't trust him about GITMO either, and it is a fact that the President didn't follow the law saying he was supposed to notify Congress 30 days in advance about any releases from GITMO.
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Re: POW Bergdahl, "ashamed to be an American"

Unread postby Sixstrings » Thu 12 Jun 2014, 18:18:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'N')ow the White House is claiming the bergdahl swap was all hagel's idea and Obama knew nothing

I wonder if obama's "I knew nothing" excuse will hold together on this one?


Plant, the O team is probably telling the truth, and it's what I said originally -- they are GROSSLY incompetent on foreign policy, and just something so simple as reading all the memos and being aware of all the details before you make a big showy press conference.

It's astounding, and incomprehensible, how sloppy this white house has been lately.

It makes you wonder about "3am phone call" moments, and thank goodness nothing bad has happened because you see such sloppyness and incompentence over something so small and it just makes you wonder.

And the whole Obamacare thing, not getting the websites to work, and Syria with sending the navy out there and then the debacle that followed. Losing our alliance with the Saudis. It's been one thing after another like that. Mismanagement, sloppyness, incompetence, and amateur hour just getting worse and here we are six years in.

And while I'm on about it, I know Putin and Russia and China really aren't a threat because if they were -- they'd be making their BIG move *right now* while O is in office, because they see what a mess our leadership is. This is their opportunity, next two years with O still in office, if they're going for it then it'll happen soon. That's the smart strategic move, for them.
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Re: POW Bergdahl, "ashamed to be an American"

Unread postby americandream » Fri 13 Jun 2014, 01:21:50

"smart strategic"? And what might this strategy be. Kill the proverbial goose so as they might...............(fill in the blank).
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