Also notice that Fox is now conflating the Taliban with Al Qaeda, just like they conflated Saddam with Al Qaeda? How many Fox viewers could tell you that the 9/11 hijackers were Saudis?
Look at how pretty much every talking point has been easily debunked. If someone believed everything they heard from right wing outlets, wouldn't they be virtually insane for all practical purposes? Is it any wonder they are being put down like mad dogs with increasing frequency?
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Re: POW Bergdahl, "ashamed to be an American"
by PrestonSturges » Sat 07 Jun 2014, 20:37:12
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Re: POW Bergdahl, "ashamed to be an American"
by americandream » Sat 07 Jun 2014, 21:28:51
I would feel no sympathy for Islamists who collaborated with capitalists during the Cold War and are by and large of absolute no use to the working class. Both sets of bottom feeders can have each other.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'A')lso notice that Fox is now conflating the Taliban with Al Qaeda, just like they conflated Saddam with Al Qaeda? How many Fox viewers could tell you that the 9/11 hijackers were Saudis?
Look at how pretty much every talking point has been easily debunked. If someone believed everything they heard from right wing outlets, wouldn't they be virtually insane for all practical purposes? Is it any wonder they are being put down like mad dogs with increasing frequency?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'A')lso notice that Fox is now conflating the Taliban with Al Qaeda, just like they conflated Saddam with Al Qaeda? How many Fox viewers could tell you that the 9/11 hijackers were Saudis?
Look at how pretty much every talking point has been easily debunked. If someone believed everything they heard from right wing outlets, wouldn't they be virtually insane for all practical purposes? Is it any wonder they are being put down like mad dogs with increasing frequency?
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Re: POW Bergdahl, "ashamed to be an American"
by Sixstrings » Sun 08 Jun 2014, 01:00:48
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'I') am amazed tha a grown man such as yourself, sixstrings, takes the 'threat" posed by a disparate bunch of bronze age thinkers serious vis-a-vis America.
"Bronze age" religous crazies can do a lot of damage if handed a shoulder-fired rocket launcher. Or a nuke, God forbid.
One can say it was overreaction, but "bronze age" thinking adversaries did 9/11, which cost the US a gazillion dollars between wars and security upgrades (what was it, a trillion dollars?).
But anyhow, muslims aren't really a concern so much these days -- they seem to be more upset with Russia lately. US would do well to not stir them up going forward, which makes sense anyway, since muslims are very free in the US and have nothing to bitch about in the first place.
They have more genuine gripes with a Russia, or a France, and other Euros -- but they've got freedom in the US.
They are as free as any other religion, because that's the American Way, and they can open their mosques where they like and are not discriminated against, and can wear their head coverings to school (unlike France). (btw this is not to say that muslim extremists are ever justified when they get radicalized and violently react to oppression -- but it's also helpful to not oppress them, in the first place)
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')o I would suggest calming down.
You're missing what I was worked up about -- that I turn on CNN these days and I hear the kind of RT-style anti-Americanism I'm more used to seeing on the internet, and this forum, so it's just disconcerting.
What I mean by "RT-style" / internet / forum is just that it's unbalanced, it's like with Quinn and how he can't say one good thing about the US. And so there is Berghdahl, same kind of thinking, and honestly it's warped. There is good and bad that can be said about the US in Afghansitan.
Some good stuff: women can vote; women aren't treated like dogs so much anymore; a lot less of that being held prisoner in a suffocating burhka crap; women can go to school now; women can have jobs now.
These are good things. Bergdahl got all anti-American and disenchanted *too soon in the war* to ever see the progress.
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Re: POW Bergdahl, "ashamed to be an American"
by americandream » Sun 08 Jun 2014, 01:45:31
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In a nutshell, Islamists voted with their feet to back capitalism. They have no real use to capital unlike China whose return via labour value gives a huge dividend, Islamic based oil which is in the hands of a despotic few is not in that league. To that extent, the Islamic masses are of no use to capital.
Now if they were to consume disposables in significant numbers, they would have some use. The fact that they blow up their neighbourhoods via which oil is transmitted via is more of an irritant. But to suggest that they pose a threat to capitalist modernism is to exaggerate their risk. As for 9/11, I suspect that the logistics that went into that did not emerge from the Bronze Age mind. I simply cannot see that being their forte. Nor do I think that the US government staged that. That would be the height of stupidity. Whoever planned that incident, it was not a muslim nor was it the West. Who ever it was has since found a niche in capital as we have not had a repitition. But the Bronze Age kingdom of Islam will NEVER pose a risk to capital nor will the US, Russians, Indians and Chinese let them. At best, they will have the odd little fracas which capital can easily absorb. Meaningful challenges to capital will arise out of the modern mind, not that which dwells in the mists of fairy tales. In fact it will take high reason to confront the folly of capital, not the idiocy of superstition. Thus I would suggest less of a concern with Islam.
In a nutshell, Islamists voted with their feet to back capitalism. They have no real use to capital unlike China whose return via labour value gives a huge dividend, Islamic based oil which is in the hands of a despotic few is not in that league. To that extent, the Islamic masses are of no use to capital.
Now if they were to consume disposables in significant numbers, they would have some use. The fact that they blow up their neighbourhoods via which oil is transmitted via is more of an irritant. But to suggest that they pose a threat to capitalist modernism is to exaggerate their risk. As for 9/11, I suspect that the logistics that went into that did not emerge from the Bronze Age mind. I simply cannot see that being their forte. Nor do I think that the US government staged that. That would be the height of stupidity. Whoever planned that incident, it was not a muslim nor was it the West. Who ever it was has since found a niche in capital as we have not had a repitition. But the Bronze Age kingdom of Islam will NEVER pose a risk to capital nor will the US, Russians, Indians and Chinese let them. At best, they will have the odd little fracas which capital can easily absorb. Meaningful challenges to capital will arise out of the modern mind, not that which dwells in the mists of fairy tales. In fact it will take high reason to confront the folly of capital, not the idiocy of superstition. Thus I would suggest less of a concern with Islam.
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Re: POW Bergdahl, "ashamed to be an American"
by Sixstrings » Sun 08 Jun 2014, 01:54:59
[quote="Oneaboveall"13 Things You Need to Know About Bowe Bergdahl[/url][/quote]
Hm, let's take a look:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '1')) Bowe grew up near Hailey, Idaho, the son of California expats and ski bums Jani and Bob Bergdahl, who lived "nearly off the grid" on 40 acres, home-schooling Bowe and his sister Sky in a demanding curriculum:
Hm, let's take a look:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '1')) Bowe grew up near Hailey, Idaho, the son of California expats and ski bums Jani and Bob Bergdahl, who lived "nearly off the grid" on 40 acres, home-schooling Bowe and his sister Sky in a demanding curriculum:
(ok, there you go, the son of hippies living off the grid. And it sounds like he was HOME SCHOOLED. That all equals out to ECCENTRIC, and really not wise to be signing up for the INFANTRY in the middle of a war.)
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '2')) Obsessed with Bear Grylls and Man vs. Wild, Bowe sought at age 20 to join the French Foreign Legion.
He traveled to Paris and started to learn French, but his application was rejected. "He was absolutely devastated when the French Foreign Legion didn't take him," Bob says.
Well I respect him for that, that's gutsy and fascinating (but eccentric), running off to Paris at 20 years of age and trying to join the Foreign Legion. How can one be a hippy but so interested in joining up to fight wars??? That doesn't add up. And look what happened, he got in a war, then swung hippy and it messed his head up and he walked off talking about how horrible America is. Confusing.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '3')) Seeking adventure, instead, in American uniform, Bergdahl enlisted in the Army in 2008. His intensity alienated fellow soldiers. A friend from his unit, Jason Fry, recalled Bowe's fierce independence and his prophetic warning:
"He wanted to be a mercenary, wanted to be a free gun," says Fry. "He had a notion he was a survivalist, claimed he knew how to survive with nothing because he grew up in Idaho
Ok guys, the guy was eccentric. Let me say it again: H-O-M-E S-C-H-O-O-L-E-D.
And sounds like he didn't fit in. Alienated by fellow soldiers because he was so "intense" -- that sounds like loner, that sounds like the kid that doesn't fit in at a school, and those are the ones that do something crazy.
So he joined the army to be a survivalist. And at first wanted to be a "hired gun mercenary." And the French Foreign Legion. Yet he gets to Afghanistan and just walks off the post and goes native, wtf.
He escaped captivity at one point, and sounds like he put up a good fight:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')or his part, Bowe does not appear to be a willing hostage. [In] August or September [of 2011], he reportedly managed to escape. When he was recaptured, he put up such a struggle that it took five militants to overpower him. "He fought like a boxer," [said] a Taliban fighter who had seen Bowe.
That's respectable. That sounds less like "going native."
I heard on CNN they put him in a cage after that escape attempt. So.. you know.. you can understand here, how it can happen, that after years he probably gets the stockholm syndrome and then goes native.
Other reports say he converted to islam, and declared jihad at one point, and his captors even let him carry a gun sometimes.
*But he did try to escape that one time, and put up a fight*, so I must conclude THAT IS A POW. Who got some stockholm syndrome afterward. Nobody can stand up to solitary confinement, and things like that, for years.
But I still say he is eccentric, and came from an eccentric family, and should have joined the darn Air Force or navy and wasn't suitable for INFANTRY. Should have been screened out.
And you know what.. this is all a lot like Snowden too.. of course, Snowden had top secret access across the board, and ability to do a lot of damage compared to a GI, yet doesn't seem like he got any closer scrutiny than Bergdahl.
Lot of similarities between them, and their ways of thinking, and ultimately turning to anti-American views, *and acting on them*.
