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Doom-O-Meter readings - 2014

General discussions of the systemic, societal and civilisational effects of depletion.

My Official Pop-O-Matic Kilodoom reading is currently:

0 Eatin' Rainbow Stew
4
No votes
1 Just hit the Lottery
0
0%
2 Could be worse
30
No votes
3 Could be better
23
No votes
4 Duck & Cover
9
No votes
5 Adios Muchacha
2
No votes
 
Total votes : 68

Re: Doom-O-Meter readings - 2014

Unread postby Timo » Fri 10 Jan 2014, 13:02:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'T')hings change, always and frequently, not necessarily for the better either. The human species has had a good run for the last 150 years or so. Although we've paid for it by buying heavily into our future. In the end, as they say, we're all dead anyway. Not very satisfying though to realize that we're taking it all with us in a figurative and rather real manner.

Its mass delusion to think our fragile energy independent technology will have us consuming ever more on a finite planet. That some magic will appear and keep us on the path to more stuff when we hit the wall. I fear the sixth extinction though will include ourselves at our current rate. We're not proving to be a better species, just one more, in a long line.

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Re: Doom-O-Meter readings - 2014

Unread postby Sys1 » Fri 10 Jan 2014, 17:14:19

Nothing will happen. Several wars in Africa (as always), economic crisis coevered with mountains of dollars, homeless and ferraris in streets.
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Re: Doom-O-Meter readings - 2014

Unread postby dolanbaker » Sat 11 Jan 2014, 07:44:48

Reading a steady "2" here, we (in Western countries) have a very long way down the energy staircase to go before the majority will feel any real hardship. European car manufacturers are responding to market demands by building smaller, fuel efficient vehicles which mean the mileage is being maintained while fuel consumption is falling. Same with the airline industry and housing will soon follow the same pattern.

Doing more with the same energy input is the current phase, we will soon be moving into the doing the same with less energy phase.

Then the meter will start to register a "3".
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Re: Doom-O-Meter readings - 2014

Unread postby davep » Sat 11 Jan 2014, 14:41:58

I chose "3" but am preparing as if it were "4". It's pretty grim in continental Europe at the moment, especially in France.
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Re: Doom-O-Meter readings - 2014

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sat 11 Jan 2014, 15:01:56

I think we're at "2" in the USA.

Thanks to fracking the US has plenty of oil, the economy is still rolling along and we've got a few more years of relative prosperity to enjoy.
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Re: Doom-O-Meter readings - 2014

Unread postby Subjectivist » Sat 11 Jan 2014, 15:20:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'A') 2 will quickly become a 4 when the stock-market crashes. Next week?

What is causing this deep pessimism? I voted a 3 but i you have a solid scenario why it should be a 4 then spit it out.
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Re: Doom-O-Meter readings - 2014

Unread postby Serial_Worrier » Sat 11 Jan 2014, 18:01:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'I') think we're at "2" in the USA.

Thanks to fracking the US has plenty of oil, the economy is still rolling along and we've got a few more years of relative prosperity to enjoy.


Let the good times roll! Personally I'm planning on burning up as much fossil fuels as I possibly can in 2014!
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Re: Doom-O-Meter readings - 2014

Unread postby dinopello » Sat 11 Jan 2014, 19:00:33

Either someone's stuffing the box, or POers are pretty optimistic based on the poll results so far (a near majority of 46% picking a 2). Time to go long ! [smilie=occasion18.gif]

No matter how bad it is, it can always "get worse". 8O
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Re: Doom-O-Meter readings - 2014

Unread postby dolanbaker » Sat 11 Jan 2014, 19:11:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', 'E')ither someone's stuffing the box, or POers are pretty optimistic based on the poll results so far (a near majority of 46% picking a 2). Time to go long ! [smilie=occasion18.gif]

No matter how bad it is, it can always "get worse". 8O

Doom is very much from a personal perspective, those of us who are older will most likely not be around when things get really bad.
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Re: Doom-O-Meter readings - 2014

Unread postby Loki » Sat 11 Jan 2014, 20:19:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', 'E')ither someone's stuffing the box, or POers are pretty optimistic based on the poll results so far (a near majority of 46% picking a 2). Time to go long ! [smilie=occasion18.gif]

No matter how bad it is, it can always "get worse". 8O

For me it's a matter of time scale. Severe societal disruptions are certainly looming on the horizon, but will they land like a ton of bricks in 2014? I doubt it. But ya never know.

Choosing #5 would require something like this by the end of the year:
Precipitous decline of oil production --> financial collapse --> cannibalism

#2 for me just means continuation of our slow-motion collapse without too much drama in the next 12 months.
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Re: Doom-O-Meter readings - 2014

Unread postby Ibon » Sun 12 Jan 2014, 08:05:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', 'E')ither someone's stuffing the box, or POers are pretty optimistic based on the poll results so far (a near majority of 46% picking a 2). Time to go long ! [smilie=occasion18.gif]

No matter how bad it is, it can always "get worse". 8O


The Doom-O-Meter is not a sensitive enough instrument to reflect the true poll results. We are now in the territory where the whole global ponzi scheme continues to hum along fine in its illusion until an event, the proverbial straw that breaks the camel's back, will unwind all the pretending and we will all be sitting there with poop in our diapers.

Not knowing when this punctuated event will happen makes it very difficult for one to accurately forecast and in the meantime picking No. 2 makes sense.

It is not a question of IF but When.......nobody knows this When.

It does create a cultural malaise where the whole society is amped up with a low frequency anxiety. At the same time as everything seems to be ok.....
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Re: Doom-O-Meter readings - 2014

Unread postby Tanada » Sun 12 Jan 2014, 08:24:16

Ibon beat me too it. Could Be Worse is what I always tell myself when something bad happens and I need a reminder to that no matter where I find myself there are others who are worse off than I am. Even if we have Fast Crash Apocalypse those of us still alive will be able to say Could Be Worse.
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Re: Doom-O-Meter readings - 2014

Unread postby Pops » Sun 12 Jan 2014, 09:52:42

It could always 'be worse' but that is an outlook rather than an assessment. Granted, Pete always has a bad outlook ( :razz: ) but he also outlines a bad assessment, which is more what Kilodooms is meant to measure.

And of course it is about forecasting the future, that's the point, LOL

The real problem with the meter is that it mostly measures anxiety. Being sanguine because you think fracking is the savior of the motoring public and Dick's non-negotiable lifestyle is a whole different thing than being confident your militia group will protect and provide for you prior to the upcoming rapture. Both could give a reading of 2 depending on who is doing the calibration. I guess it is about a combination of forecasting the future and our ability to deal with whatever future.

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Re: Doom-O-Meter readings - 2014

Unread postby Gordianus » Sun 12 Jan 2014, 10:20:24

"2. Could be worse". Things always take longer than expected. The decline is no doubt already underway, but BAU is very persistent and people are remarkably resilient. It could be quite a while yet!
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Re: Doom-O-Meter readings - 2014

Unread postby Newfie » Sun 12 Jan 2014, 12:59:43

Sometimes I think that the longer we go before the crash, the worse it will be.

But then we have more time to prep, assuming we do.

Anyway, this fear is one of the things that made a boat make sense to us. It gives us a way to react strongly to a big event.
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Re: Doom-O-Meter readings - 2014

Unread postby Serial_Worrier » Sun 12 Jan 2014, 14:56:26

Well, in West Virginia the "Doom O Meter" is pegging on MAX:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/01 ... tap-water/
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