[dolanbaker]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gordianus', '&')quot;2. Could be worse". Things always take longer than expected. The decline is no doubt already underway, but BAU is very persistent and people are remarkably resilient. It could be quite a while yet!

[Serial_Worrier]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dolanbaker', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gordianus', '&')quot;2. Could be worse". Things always take longer than expected. The decline is no doubt already underway, but BAU is very persistent and people are remarkably resilient. It could be quite a while yet!

[dorlomin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dolanbaker', '
')Back in the 1960s(Europe), many didn't have cars or even motorbikes, I would expect BAU to return to those levels in the next two or three decades.

[Newfie]

And the US built for the car, so we don't have the same infrastructure model.

Very different here.

[EdwinSm]

When I voted for 2, no 3 was in the lead!

Right now my meter is still at 2. I had expected things to start getting bad by 2008 and really bad by 2012, but here we are in 2014 chugging along nicely. My meter read is how I see things NOW, not one or two years in the future. Actually my future meter is close to the maximum, but I also realise that I have expected an earlier decline than what has happened and that the system seems to have more momentum than I gave it credit. But with each passing year I worry that the collapse when it comes will be stronger and faster than I am planning for.

[lasseter]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '
')
If I have planned for the worst then I can hope for the best, if I haven't planned for anything, I'm forced to.

[Timo]

I stand by my 5, and that's based entirely on the climate and human apathy. That apathy is reflected in human politics and policy that work exclusively to appease the masses and keep BAU running for as long as possible. There's not a government on the planet that can madate the changes required by humanity to stave off the heat. Maybe N. Korea could, but they've got a whole other basket of worries/fallacies to contend with. There are 7 billion people all looking to adopt the "western" way of life, and those curently living that luxurious lifestyle feel it's an entitlement, given uniquely to us by God. Absolutely nothing is going to pursuade 7 billion people (and growing) to change their ways of living for the good of the planet, and their children, and their grandchildren, and their grandchildren's children. Drop an atomic bomb in a major metro city, anywhere in the world, and that endless material puruit will still dominate the collective MO. If NYC floods due to rising sea levels, 9 million people will simply move elsewhere, and continue BAU. Change for the common good has been bred completely out of the human genome. Adios Muchachos.

[ROCKMAN]

lasseter - Well put. Human nature, eh? It got me thinking about our safety protocols in the oil patch. I can spend 160 hours drumming safety procedures into a hand and he can repeat it verbatim. He can know exactly how to respond. But will he? It’s always amazing to see how folks hesitate to react even when they have been well trained. Just as you point out so well: folks hesitate when ever bit of info tells them to respond to a situation…NOW!

I’ll repeat a short version of my recent post: Told a hand to stop doing A. He didn’t take it well. Told him another hand was killed just a few weeks ago doing A. The second hand working him confirmed what I said…he knew about that particular accident. I looked at the second hand and said: “I should run your dumb ass off”. He was watching the first hand do something that just killed another hand. Why didn’t he say something? Too macho? Stupid? Didn’t want a confrontation? Who knows. I was so pissed I had to walk away before I over reacted.

And we consistently try to install proactive reactions. On offshore drill rigs we have a “stop card” system: if you see something unsafe or environmentally risky you fill out a “stop card” and drop it in a box unsigned. Even then we often have to encourage the effort by withholding some privileges from the crew if not enough stop cards are turned in weekly. We have safety officers on some rigs whose full time job is to chew folks out for unsafe activities. Once a safety officer standing at the bottom of a stairwell coming down from the chopper pad complimented me for keeping one hand on the hand rail. That was a mandatory safety requirement on that rig. I didn’t know that. It was my bad knees that made me do it. The other 4 hands on the chopper with me didn’t keep a hand on the rail. Which is why they had to sit and watch 3 hours of safety films before they could hit the galley for supper.

Human nature can be such a pain in the ass. LOL.

[Timo]

Whn in doubt, chicken out.

[lasseter]

lol ROCKMAN, I couldn't do your job mate, I wouldn't have the patience. It must be human nature that prevents people from seeing the obvious and acting accordingly, even when their life is in the balance. The easter Island experience and all the civilizations prior pretty much prove the point that we have a distructive streak built in to us, at least collectively.

[ROCKMAN]

lasseter - I'll readily admit I'm a terrible procrastinator. I’m also very good at ignoring crap if I chose to do so. But it’s very easy for me to tell someone else to do the right thing. There’s some things we’ll all take a risk on. But it all has to be kept in perspective…how bad would the worst case be? I always ask careless hands when was the last time they had an accident they had planned on having. About half of them get. And I really jump on them if they tell me they never expected some accident to happen. Everything and anything can happen. I tell them some years ago a guy was killed when a chunk of frozen toilet water fell from a passenger jet and hit him. I’ll end that story with “Sh*t happens”.

I don’t lose sleep worrying about dry holes…sh*t happens. I do constantly worry about hands getting badly injured/killed and environmental screw ups. Neither has ever happened on my watch. I’ve just a few more years left and would like to keep that record intact. Some of the young hands can be so stupid. The older ones…not too bad. The idiots don’t generally last long to become old fools. LOL.

[Subjectivist]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ROCKMAN', 'l')asseter - Well put. Human nature, eh? It got me thinking about our safety protocols in the oil patch. I can spend 160 hours drumming safety procedures into a hand and he can repeat it verbatim. He can know exactly how to respond. But will he? It’s always amazing to see how folks hesitate to react even when they have been well trained. Just as you point out so well: folks hesitate when ever bit of info tells them to respond to a situation…NOW!

I’ll repeat a short version of my recent post: Told a hand to stop doing A. He didn’t take it well. Told him another hand was killed just a few weeks ago doing A. The second hand working him confirmed what I said…he knew about that particular accident. I looked at the second hand and said: “I should run your dumb ass off”. He was watching the first hand do something that just killed another hand. Why didn’t he say something? Too macho? Stupid? Didn’t want a confrontation? Who knows. I was so pissed I had to walk away before I over reacted.

And we consistently try to install proactive reactions. On offshore drill rigs we have a “stop card” system: if you see something unsafe or environmentally risky you fill out a “stop card” and drop it in a box unsigned. Even then we often have to encourage the effort by withholding some privileges from the crew if not enough stop cards are turned in weekly. We have safety officers on some rigs whose full time job is to chew folks out for unsafe activities. Once a safety officer standing at the bottom of a stairwell coming down from the chopper pad complimented me for keeping one hand on the hand rail. That was a mandatory safety requirement on that rig. I didn’t know that. It was my bad knees that made me do it. The other 4 hands on the chopper with me didn’t keep a hand on the rail. Which is why they had to sit and watch 3 hours of safety films before they could hit the galley for supper.

Human nature can be such a pain in the ass. LOL.

[Newfie]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')ever trust a brown noser, they will seek to get rid of anyone ahead of them immune to their sucking up.

[kiwichick]

4.5

[dolanbaker]

Still at 2!

[Lore]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dolanbaker', 'S')till at 2!

[yellowcanoe]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', '
')
That's only because you're not in the midst of the polar vortex.

[dolanbaker]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dolanbaker', 'S')till at 2!

[dorlomin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dolanbaker', 'I')'ll crank it up to a 3 when the next economic crisis or energy crunch hits in the not too distant future.