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Re: H1N1 This Season

Unread postby WildRose » Mon 06 Jan 2014, 15:25:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Timo', 'W')ell over 100 people admitted to one of our hospitals in the past two weeks with "the flu." I'm not sure if it's H1N1, but it's the flu, nonetheless. Bad enough to put 100+ people in the emergency room. I've never had a flu shot, ever. Just fighting all of the other bacteria and viruses out there keeps me plenty busy. 104 actually sounds pretty nice right now. The heat in my building has been broken since last Tuesday. You can almost see your breath in my office.


I'm doing lots of walking outside in the freezing temperatures (well-dressed, of course), hoping that the fresh air and exercise will keep me healthy. Staying away from the gym for now, as the diehards will work out even when they're sick.

I work in the health care field and am aware of how this flu is hitting some people. It's still a small proportion of the population that goes to hospital, but I remain vigilant.
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Re: H1N1 This Season

Unread postby Pops » Tue 07 Jan 2014, 11:37:10

I've heard some about H1N1 plus "novo virus" well.

Here's a map an other stuff
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/usmap.htm
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Re: H1N1 This Season

Unread postby Timo » Tue 07 Jan 2014, 11:41:02

The Virgin Islands look like a pretty darned-tootin' vacation destination this winter! An oasis from the flu! Sandy beaches and warm temps are just a side benefit.
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Re: H1N1 This Season

Unread postby WildRose » Tue 07 Jan 2014, 15:25:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'I')'ve heard some about H1N1 plus "novo virus" well.

Here's a map an other stuff
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/usmap.htm


I'm quite sure I've had norovirus. It's really nasty.
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Re: H1N1 This Season

Unread postby WildRose » Tue 07 Jan 2014, 15:28:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Timo', 'T')he Virgin Islands look like a pretty darned-tootin' vacation destination this winter! An oasis from the flu! Sandy beaches and warm temps are just a side benefit.


Oh, man, just to swim in warm ocean water would be heaven on earth, as far as I'm concerned. For now, I'm thinking spring can't get here soon enough. Although, I have to say I love the late winter days (mid-February to end of March) when there is fresh snow and the temps are milder, the sun is strong, and it's really nice for a jog with the dog.
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Re: H1N1 This Season

Unread postby Loki » Tue 07 Jan 2014, 16:26:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('WildRose', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'I')'ve heard some about H1N1 plus "novo virus" well.

Here's a map an other stuff
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/usmap.htm


I'm quite sure I've had norovirus. It's really nasty.

I got what I believe was norovirus at Thanksgiving 2012. Nasty indeed. I usually have a stomach of steel, but stuff was coming out both ends in great quantity :shock:

Man, the last few years sure have been "interesting." Biggest global recession (and weakest recovery) since the Great Depression, the end of cheap oil, TWO outbreaks of swine flu, historic drought in the Corn Belt, devastating hurricanes/typhoons, Japan gets a smack down from a massive earthquake leading to one of the worst nuclear disasters ever, worst oil spill in US history, etc., etc., etc. Jesus.
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Re: H1N1 This Season

Unread postby WildRose » Tue 07 Jan 2014, 22:51:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Loki', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('WildRose', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'I')'ve heard some about H1N1 plus "novo virus" well.

Here's a map an other stuff
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/usmap.htm


I'm quite sure I've had norovirus. It's really nasty.

I got what I believe was norovirus at Thanksgiving 2012. Nasty indeed. I usually have a stomach of steel, but stuff was coming out both ends in great quantity :shock:

Man, the last few years sure have been "interesting." Biggest global recession (and weakest recovery) since the Great Depression, the end of cheap oil, TWO outbreaks of swine flu, historic drought in the Corn Belt, devastating hurricanes/typhoons, Japan gets a smack down from a massive earthquake leading to one of the worst nuclear disasters ever, worst oil spill in US history, etc., etc., etc. Jesus.


You said it, Loki.

Meanwhile, another train derailment occurred this evening, this time in New Brunswick. Train had cars with propane and crude oil, fire ensued, evacuations carried out, not sure how many cars left the tracks or what is fueling the fire yet.
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Re: H1N1 This Season

Unread postby Loki » Wed 08 Jan 2014, 22:33:05

I googled flu deaths. Lots of hits. I found this article on H1N1 in Oregon:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')PORTLAND, Ore. — Oregon's flu season has arrived early, with scores of patients visiting emergency rooms and at least seven deaths caused by the infectious disease.

Portland-area hospitals reported 179 flu-related hospitalizations from the start of the season through Dec. 28. The hospitals said seven people have died from flu through Monday.

The statewide number of deaths was not available. The Oregon Public Health Division does not tally adult flu deaths, only those of young people. There has been one of those — a 5-year-old boy who died at Oregon Health & Science University in Portland.

The H1N1 virus is the predominant flu strain circulating now. It hits the young and middle-age people particularly hard. Dr. Ann Thomas of the state Public Health Division said 84 percent of those requiring hospitalization in the Portland area were younger than 65, and that's "quite unusual."

Thomas has been tracking Oregon flu seasons for 10 years, and says it almost always peaks in late February and early March.

"The only other time we've had this many hospitalizations before Christmas was in 2009, the pandemic," she said. "It's interesting that it's the same strain of flu that's circulating."

Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2014/01/06/ ... rylink=cpy
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Re: H1N1 This Season

Unread postby Loki » Thu 09 Jan 2014, 02:40:49

Google's flu trend site shows a high trend since late December in Oregon. So far it's a lot lower than last year, but higher than most years since 2007.
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Re: H1N1 This Season

Unread postby KaiserJeep » Fri 10 Jan 2014, 08:52:10

So far in the relatively mild SF Bay Area climate, there have been 18 deaths associated with H1N1 this season. The usual average for all strains of influenza is approximately 10 deaths for the entire season. These figures are from a local area newscast on Channel 5 last night. The PBS News Hour called the nationwide average for fatalities "more than twice normal" yesterday.

Local vaccination rates are described as "average" in the media. In most years in this area about 40% get vaccinated, a combination of oral vaccines given to young children and shots given to elderly patients.
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Re: H1N1 This Season

Unread postby Ayoob » Fri 10 Jan 2014, 09:08:17

Take ginseng starting 8 weeks before the start of flu season, and watch your likely infection rate drop by 80%, and the duration of any symptoms drop by 80%. By contrast, the flu shot is about 45% effective at blocking the flu, and has no effect on the symptoms if you DO get sick.

http://web.ebscohost.com.proxy.foley.go ... 4&hid=4212

I was amazed. In my last pharmacology class, I researched Ginseng as a "community medication." It turns out that Ginseng has been widely studied by peer-reviewed researchers and seems to have a positive effect on people with pre-diabetes, depression, and susceptibility to the flu. Sad to say, most of the herbal medications were not so effective. St Johns Wort... nope. Saw palmetto... nope. Cranberry juice... nope. Better effectiveness with cranberry pills vs the juice due to compliance issues. Almost all the OTC remedies were bunk. Ginseng had good science behind it, and I will be prescribing i to my patients soon.

It takes 8 weeks of daily dosing to ramp up your immune system as a defense against the flu, so start early. The effects attenuate at about six months, so it may be your best bet to start taking Ginseng in the fall and the early part of winter. That covers most of flu season and has lots of other good effects when the cold and dark set in.
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Re: H1N1 This Season

Unread postby WildRose » Fri 10 Jan 2014, 16:48:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KaiserJeep', 'S')o far in the relatively mild SF Bay Area climate, there have been 18 deaths associated with H1N1 this season. The usual average for all strains of influenza is approximately 10 deaths for the entire season. These figures are from a local area newscast on Channel 5 last night. The PBS News Hour called the nationwide average for fatalities "more than twice normal" yesterday.

Local vaccination rates are described as "average" in the media. In most years in this area about 40% get vaccinated, a combination of oral vaccines given to young children and shots given to elderly patients.


Here in Alberta, about 30% have been vaccinated, and it's expected that those who developed H1N1 in 2009 have immunity, and those who got the flu shot in 2009 may have prolonged protection because of an adjuvant in the 2009 vaccine.
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Re: H1N1 This Season

Unread postby WildRose » Fri 10 Jan 2014, 16:49:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ayoob', 'T')ake ginseng starting 8 weeks before the start of flu season, and watch your likely infection rate drop by 80%, and the duration of any symptoms drop by 80%. By contrast, the flu shot is about 45% effective at blocking the flu, and has no effect on the symptoms if you DO get sick.

http://web.ebscohost.com.proxy.foley.go ... 4&hid=4212

I was amazed. In my last pharmacology class, I researched Ginseng as a "community medication." It turns out that Ginseng has been widely studied by peer-reviewed researchers and seems to have a positive effect on people with pre-diabetes, depression, and susceptibility to the flu. Sad to say, most of the herbal medications were not so effective. St Johns Wort... nope. Saw palmetto... nope. Cranberry juice... nope. Better effectiveness with cranberry pills vs the juice due to compliance issues. Almost all the OTC remedies were bunk. Ginseng had good science behind it, and I will be prescribing i to my patients soon.

It takes 8 weeks of daily dosing to ramp up your immune system as a defense against the flu, so start early. The effects attenuate at about six months, so it may be your best bet to start taking Ginseng in the fall and the early part of winter. That covers most of flu season and has lots of other good effects when the cold and dark set in.


Thanks for that, Ayoob! It's certainly worth a try.
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Re: H1N1 This Season

Unread postby Loki » Fri 10 Jan 2014, 19:32:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('WildRose', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KaiserJeep', 'S')o far in the relatively mild SF Bay Area climate, there have been 18 deaths associated with H1N1 this season. The usual average for all strains of influenza is approximately 10 deaths for the entire season. These figures are from a local area newscast on Channel 5 last night. The PBS News Hour called the nationwide average for fatalities "more than twice normal" yesterday.

Local vaccination rates are described as "average" in the media. In most years in this area about 40% get vaccinated, a combination of oral vaccines given to young children and shots given to elderly patients.


Here in Alberta, about 30% have been vaccinated, and it's expected that those who developed H1N1 in 2009 have immunity, and those who got the flu shot in 2009 may have prolonged protection because of an adjuvant in the 2009 vaccine.

30-40% is lower than I thought. Guess I'm not the only one who usually doesn't get a shot.

Where did you hear that those who got H1N1 in 2009 are probably immune to the strain this season? I tried searching for it but only got old articles from 2009. Seems reasonable, but I don't know how different the strains are.
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Re: H1N1 This Season

Unread postby WildRose » Sat 11 Jan 2014, 03:37:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Loki', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('WildRose', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KaiserJeep', 'S')o far in the relatively mild SF Bay Area climate, there have been 18 deaths associated with H1N1 this season. The usual average for all strains of influenza is approximately 10 deaths for the entire season. These figures are from a local area newscast on Channel 5 last night. The PBS News Hour called the nationwide average for fatalities "more than twice normal" yesterday.

Local vaccination rates are described as "average" in the media. In most years in this area about 40% get vaccinated, a combination of oral vaccines given to young children and shots given to elderly patients.


Here in Alberta, about 30% have been vaccinated, and it's expected that those who developed H1N1 in 2009 have immunity, and those who got the flu shot in 2009 may have prolonged protection because of an adjuvant in the 2009 vaccine.

30-40% is lower than I thought. Guess I'm not the only one who usually doesn't get a shot.

Where did you hear that those who got H1N1 in 2009 are probably immune to the strain this season? I tried searching for it but only got old articles from 2009. Seems reasonable, but I don't know how different the strains are.


I'm sure I read something that was more definitive than the article below somewhere else but I can't remember where; however, it is implied (below) that those exposed would have immunity:

"I want to emphasize that although the Influenza A-H1N1 strain is back, the situation is different than it was in 2009 when the virus appeared for the very first time.

Five years after the initial pandemic, many have been exposed to or vaccinated against H1N1.


http://www.standard-freeholder.com/2014 ... a-pandemic

I'll keep looking, Loki.
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Re: H1N1 This Season

Unread postby Keith_McClary » Sat 11 Jan 2014, 13:56:57

Since they ran out of vaccine, this is the message:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')erplexingly, last year's flu season was harsher than this year's — or at least from what can be seen to date. But the main strain this year, H1N1, can hit young and middle-aged adults very hard. Reports of people in that demographic being hospitalized, placed in intensive care and occasionally even dying have received heavy media coverage.

That has spiked the public's perception of risk, experts suggest. Add to that word of potential vaccine shortages, and Canada is seeing the flu shot equivalent of a run on the bank.

"The key here is that this is a normal flu season," Dr. Gregory Taylor, Canada's deputy chief public health officer, stressed in an interview Friday.

"This issue is not because of increased disease. This issue is because of increased demand."
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Re: H1N1 This Season

Unread postby WildRose » Sat 11 Jan 2014, 16:09:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Keith_McClary', 'S')ince they ran out of vaccine, this is the message:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')erplexingly, last year's flu season was harsher than this year's — or at least from what can be seen to date. But the main strain this year, H1N1, can hit young and middle-aged adults very hard. Reports of people in that demographic being hospitalized, placed in intensive care and occasionally even dying have received heavy media coverage.

That has spiked the public's perception of risk, experts suggest. Add to that word of potential vaccine shortages, and Canada is seeing the flu shot equivalent of a run on the bank.

"The key here is that this is a normal flu season," Dr. Gregory Taylor, Canada's deputy chief public health officer, stressed in an interview Friday.

"This issue is not because of increased disease. This issue is because of increased demand."
http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/flu-vacci ... -1.2491983


Yes, the demand is because of the media coverage, which was created by Fred Horne's being displeased with the number of people who received the vaccine back in October. It's really hard to tell what's going on within Alberta Health Services a lot of the time; I'm sure we often don't know the whole story.
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Re: H1N1 This Season

Unread postby jupiters_release » Mon 13 Jan 2014, 19:38:22

My brother and his wife both got the flu really bad for a week in Southern California. +102 temps. Neither eat animal fat and chide me for eating fatty pork five days a week. But I haven't been sick since I got my amalgams pulled seven years ago, no flu shots for me either. They're just a scam anyways. :|
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Re: H1N1 This Season

Unread postby Subjectivist » Mon 13 Jan 2014, 20:42:24

My wife the Nurse demanded that I get a flu shot. Spen half an hour waiting in line at Walgreens, the only place I could find that had not run out of doses as of today. The good news is the insurance covered the cost of the shot.
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Re: H1N1 This Season

Unread postby jupiters_release » Mon 13 Jan 2014, 21:19:37

What 'preservative' they using in the shots these days?
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