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Unread postby Specop_007 » Wed 10 Nov 2004, 16:35:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KiddieKorral', 'Y')ou two, opposite sides of the playground! :lol:


I get the side with the swing!!
And I'm NOT sharing the jelly beans!!
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Unread postby trespam » Wed 10 Nov 2004, 16:47:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', '
')I get the side with the swing!!
And I'm NOT sharing the jelly beans!!


Moderator: SpecOps is hogging the Jelly Beans and Swings. It's not fair. He needs a timeout. I'll watch his Jelly Beans while he's doing his time.
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Unread postby rerere » Wed 10 Nov 2004, 17:24:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('trespam', 'A') public form of shame.


The public shaming of SpecOp_007 is over in the hall of flames. SpecOp_007 had a post about how self-important he is, but an admin removed it, so it would seem the admins do not want such public shaming or shameful actions in public. You could call his deleted post a wollowing in the public shaming he's getting in the hall of flames thread.

Might I suggest the admins and others suggesting change to improve/modify the public discourse look into http://shirky.com/writings/group_user.html and other writings by Clay Shirky (and others) about 'electronic culture'.

Ignoring 'bad' content, hoping it goes away usually doesn't make it go away. Slashdot and the 'BSD is dying' posts in the BSD section for 3+ years is an example. The administration at slashdot finally did something and instead of 30:1 noise ratio it has dropped. 5:1 or so.

The 'best' solution I have ever seen to 'bad behavior' was on a MUD. The admins created a seperate version of the game and had the bad actors get re-routed to the other version of the game on the same site. If a bulletin board system like this had such a feature, bad actors could be 'tricked' into thinking they are 'participating' - their posts show up on the 'bad actor' site, and other bad actors could talk to them and see 'good actor' posts and response - yet the site on the 'good actors' side never sees the bad actors posts.

To the bad actors - the good actors would never respond to them. Yet bad actors can yell at each other all day long.
To the good actors - they notice one day that bad_actor is just gone.

Tell spiders/web search sites to never index the bad actor version and the bad actors would be off in their own little sandbox, to kick sand at each other forever and ever.
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Unread postby Specop_007 » Wed 10 Nov 2004, 21:22:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rerere', '
')The public shaming of SpecOp_007 is over in the hall of flames. SpecOp_007 had a post about how self-important he is, but an admin removed it, so it would seem the admins do not want such public shaming or shameful actions in public. You could call his deleted post a wollowing in the public shaming he's getting in the hall of flames thread.

Might I suggest the admins and others suggesting change to improve/modify the public discourse look into http://shirky.com/writings/group_user.html and other writings by Clay Shirky (and others) about 'electronic culture'.

Ignoring 'bad' content, hoping it goes away usually doesn't make it go away. Slashdot and the 'BSD is dying' posts in the BSD section for 3+ years is an example. The administration at slashdot finally did something and instead of 30:1 noise ratio it has dropped. 5:1 or so.


First, that "self importance" thread was me being facetious. Apparently no one could identify the song I was referring to. A case of presumptous arrogant fools trying to madly bang out a reply on the keyboard instead of THINKING for 2 seconds and seeing the humor in it. Your one of those people who fit the bill. So arrogant and cocky you just come in every thread with your false pride, dim wit and start frothily banging on yoru keyboard preaching law to anyone who will bother to read your posts.

The BEST policy the admins could take would be to instantly cut off political threads. Seems thats where the majority is. Course, YOu want to lock it down Nazi style. Fit in, follow along or get out. THAT will certainly make for a good community wouldnt it? lets just all look the same, think the same and be the same. I see why YOU dont run a forum now (Yes, I have run a forum).
This is an ENERGY DISCUSSION FORUM. Its not a political forum. And yet I sure see alot of political stuff brought up. Course, since I dont buy this Nazi regime style shit YOU want to shove down our throats I naturally dont just blindly follow along and agree and nod my head. Which makes you feel trheatened doesnt it?

Now, the second best thing they could do (Which I recommend over cutting off politics) is issue a clear cut well defined Code of Conduct. This is how you treat members. You can disagree, but no personal flames. No this, no that. Make it clear cut. And enforce it, across the board. All too often with CoC's you get favortism over time. No favortism. Obey the CoC or get a timeout, ranging from 1 day to 1 week as the mods see fit. That means your account is disabled for the duration.

But that wont work either as long as they have anonymous posting. It is however much better then your Gestapo style management you seem to think is the best.
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Unread postby Specop_007 » Wed 10 Nov 2004, 21:23:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('trespam', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', '
')I get the side with the swing!!
And I'm NOT sharing the jelly beans!!


Moderator: SpecOps is hogging the Jelly Beans and Swings. It's not fair. He needs a timeout. I'll watch his Jelly Beans while he's doing his time.


MODS!! TRESPAM IS TRYIN TO STEAL MY JELLY BEANS!!!
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THE United Nations (UN) Thread (merged)

Unread postby BiGG » Wed 15 Jun 2005, 09:23:53

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Isn’t this interesting! Nobody would back the United States & Great Briton by enforcing the many, many United Nations Resolutions forcing Saddam to abide by his surrender terms including that crook Kofi Annan.

I wonder why that was, could it be Kofi knew all about Jacques & Vladimir lining their pockets with dirty, back-door oil-for-food money and was in on the take with them? It appears he is a liar & a cheat.

Thanks George & Tony for telling them all to get screwed and we were taking Saddam out whether it ruined their little criminal party or not. Is this war really about oil? No, its about keeping crooks like Jacques, Vladimir, & Kofi from conspiring with Saddam further screwing the rest of us.
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Unread postby EnemyCombatant » Wed 15 Jun 2005, 09:49:38

And Bill Clinton and Sec State Albright should be persecuted right there with them.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n 1996 then-UN Ambassador Madeleine Albright was asked by 60 Minutes correspondent Lesley Stahl, in reference to years of U.S.-led economic sanctions against Iraq, “We have heard that half a million children have died. I mean, that is more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?”

To which Ambassador Albright responded, “I think that is a very hard choice, but the price, we think, the price is worth it.”

That remark caused no public outcry. In fact, in January the following year Albright was confirmed by the U.S. Senate as President Clinton’s secretary of state. In her opening statement to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, which was considering her appointment, she said, “We will insist on maintaining tough UN sanctions against Iraq unless and until that regime complies with relevant Security Council resolutions.”

Apparently no member of the committee asked her about her statement on 60 Minutes. Albright was confirmed.



http://www.fff.org/comment/com0311c.asp


And you are seriously delusional if you think the war on Iraq was about feeding Iraqi children. That theory contradicts the 100,000 we killed right off the bat during the invasion. Not to mention Iraq is still not up to pre-war level standard of living in many parts.

This blatantly ludicrous statement has exposed you as a neo-con shill. How much do they pay you to make statements like that?
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Unread postby EnemyCombatant » Wed 15 Jun 2005, 10:02:09

So much for the love of Iraqi children. If we cared about Iraqi children we would not have allowed the sanctions and the oil for food scam during the Clinton administration. And we sure as hell wouldn't have allowed this. If you care about Iraqi children, then we must end this was and stand with the people of Iraq against their tyrannical regimes. There are no good guys, they were assasinated.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')AMMAN - The horror. The horror. And unlike Apocalypse Now, there are real, not fictional images to prove it. But they won't be seen in Western homes. The new heart of darkness has emerged in the turbulent history of Mesopotamia via the Hilla massacre. After uninterrupted, furious American bombing on Monday night and Tuesday morning, as of Wednesday night there were at least 61 dead Iraqi civilians and more than 450 seriously injured in the region of Hilla, 80 kilometers south of Baghdad. Most are children: 60 percent of Iraq's population of roughly 24 million are children.

Roland Huguenin-Benjamin, a spokesman for the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) in Iraq, describes what happened in Hilla as "a horror, dozens of severed bodies and scattered limbs". Initially, Murtada Abbas, the director of Hilla hospital, was questioned about the bombing only by Iraqi journalists - and only Arab cameramen working for Reuters and Associated Press were allowed on site. What they filmed is horror itself - the first images shot by Western news agencies of what is also happening on the Iraqi frontlines: babies cut in half, amputated limbs, kids with their faces a web of deep cuts caused by American shellfire and cluster bombs. Nobody in the West will ever see these images because they were censored by editors in Baghdad: only a "soft" version made it to worldwide TV distribution.


http://atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/ED04Ak07.html
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Re: Kofi Annan is a Crook!

Unread postby khebab » Wed 15 Jun 2005, 11:06:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BiGG', '
')Isn’t this interesting! Nobody would back the United States & Great Briton by enforcing the many, many United Nations Resolutions forcing Saddam to abide by his surrender terms including that crook Kofi Annan.

I wonder why that was, could it be Kofi knew all about Jacques & Vladimir lining their pockets with dirty, back-door oil-for-food money and was in on the take with them? It appears he is a liar & a cheat.

Thanks George & Tony for telling them all to get screwed and we were taking Saddam out whether it ruined their little criminal party or not. Is this war really about oil? No, its about keeping crooks like Jacques, Vladimir, & Kofi from conspiring with Saddam further screwing the rest of us.

Ok, for sure George is not a liar and Dick is not giving contracts to his Halliburton's friends. Can't you see? they could not find any WMD which make them look really bad and the UN look really good. The campaign was poorly planned, fraught with arrogance and under-estimation, abominably carried out in military and humanitarian terms and to cap it all, ended in cases of torture and disrespect for human life, while the Geneva Convention was broken on several occasions. Hardly a feather in the cap for George Bush. Obviously a strong UN is no good for the US and could restrain them in policing other rich oil countries such as Iran. The truth is so obvious, ths US, the only remaining true superpower wants to make sure the last oil reserves are secured and they want to do it with an aura of legitimacy.
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Unread postby Madpaddy » Wed 15 Jun 2005, 11:16:11

I won't go into the other politicians mentioned above but I have to agree with BiGG. Annan the Ghan is a crook and since he took over the UN more Ghanains have been put into a host of appointments. My experience with the UN has thought me that the organisations main raison d'etre is jobs for the boys.
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Unread postby angrysurgeon » Wed 15 Jun 2005, 15:22:41

I dont get it...

How come the whole world is either neutral or positive to the UN idea but all the americans so goddamn negative towards it? What has your government done to you and your brains, americans?!
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Unread postby RG73 » Wed 15 Jun 2005, 16:14:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('angrysurgeon', 'I') dont get it...

How come the whole world is either neutral or positive to the UN idea but all the americans so goddamn negative towards it? What has your government done to you and your brains, americans?!


The UN is filled with corrupt criminals. Which pretty much makes it no different than any other large political organization.

The UN supports terrorists (PLO, Hamas, Hizbollah, etc.) pretty directly (money, buildings, operational cover). Which pretty much makes the UN like any other government (since most governments use proxy para-military or terrorists groups for their causes).

But the UN pretends that it is some angelic, selfless organization--when pretty much it is like any other government (and since it is an international political body, I think we can call it a government of sorts). Hence, they're a bunch of hypocritical pricks--and that doesn't go over well with Americans since we like to have a monopoly on being hypocrites.

Oh yeah, let's not forget they had a Nazi as Secretary General. I mean come on now--how can you trust an organization like that? I could go on about the UN's total inaction when it comes to genocide--Ruwanda, Sudan, etc. Let us also not forget that a great number of member nations of the UN are pretty much totalitarian nightmares with no rights for women, slavery, no religious freedom, no political freedom, and plenty of torture. That we beat up a few guys in Cuba in orange jump suits and tear up some Korans is hardly equal to anything going on in Sudan (mass slavery, torture, genocide, starvation--all committed along ethnic/religious grounds). So screw the UN. Yeah, there are some good folks working for the UN trying to do real good. But, their upper ranks are pretty much rotten to the core. And that is probably why Americans don't like them (you'll also notice most of us don't even like our own government--you know that majority that doesn't even bother voting anymore).
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Unread postby bobcousins » Wed 15 Jun 2005, 17:02:59

The US has a long history of getting "their man" into power, and then getting mightily pissed when he doesn't do their every bidding. Annan is one in a long line of US favourites who turn out to have more integrity and conscience than the US bargained for.

That is what really pisses off the US; not that he is good or bad, but the fact he didn't do what the US wanted. Rather like Saddam Hussein.

The UN itself was set up to serve the US (among others). Now when it doesn't play ball, it is Evil and Anti-American.

Look guys, imperial machination was invented long before the US was born. Machiavelli wrote the book. So don't try to bullshit a bullshitter, OK?
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Sham "Reform" Makes a DESPOTIC UN Stronger

Unread postby The_Virginian » Wed 15 Jun 2005, 18:59:41

http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2005/tst061305.htm

"This week Congress will vote on a bill to expand the power of the United Nations beyond the dreams of even the most ardent left-wing, one-world globalists. But this time the UN power grabbers aren’t European liberals; they are American neo-conservatives, who plan to use the UN to implement their own brand of world government.

The “United Nations Reform Act of 2005” masquerades as a bill that will cut US dues to the United Nations by 50% if that organization does not complete a list of 39 reforms. On the surface any measure that threatens to cut funding to the United Nations seems very attractive, but do not be fooled: in this case reform “success” will be worse than failure"

And

"This new commission will create the beginning of a global UN army. It will claim the right to intervene in any conflict anywhere on the globe, bringing the World Bank and the IMF formally into the picture as well. It is a complete new world order, but undertaken with the enthusiastic support of many of those who consider themselves among the most strident UN critics."
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With Bolton & Wolfowitz running the show??

Unread postby Dvanharn » Wed 15 Jun 2005, 19:11:27

Sounds like a formula only a neocon could love. Time to confirm John Bolton as U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, et al, will no longer have any barriers to a successfull war on international terrorism.

Let's roll!! Let's kick some a$$. President Bush needs to solidify his legacy by truly bringing freedom and democracy to the world while squashing terrorism in it's tracks.

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Unread postby The_Virginian » Wed 15 Jun 2005, 19:46:49

Don't forget "Africa" Wolfowitz for World bank /IMF.

They finiance the wars for "peace"
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Re: Sham "Reform" Makes a DESPOTIC UN Stronger

Unread postby MicroHydro » Wed 15 Jun 2005, 23:00:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('The_Virginian', 'h')ttp://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2005/tst061305.htm

"This week Congress will vote on a bill to expand the power of the United Nations beyond the dreams of even the most ardent left-wing, one-world globalists. But this time the UN power grabbers aren’t European liberals; they are American neo-conservatives, who plan to use the UN to implement their own brand of world government.


The neocons (Bush & co.) and the neoliberals (Clinton & co) are not adversaries. They are both 100% globalists under the same ownership working for the corporate new world order. Their supposed differences on domestic hot button social issues are merely diversions to keep working people divided and fighting amongst themselves. Good cop/bad cop, works every time. Bill Clinton might the next secty gen of the UN, and he can do the bidding of David Rockefeller as well as John Bolton can.
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Unread postby The_Virginian » Thu 16 Jun 2005, 05:25:42

yep Micro, your on the money. I'm pretty sure Congress Critter Ron Paul knows this as well...but comparing and contrasting the policies of "liberals" vs. "conservatives" ("neo" or otherwise) we get the idea that something is rotton in the Cockaroach colony of D.C.

Plus, it does appeal to his base of support.
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THE United Nations (UN) Thread (merged)

Unread postby rogerhb » Fri 17 Mar 2006, 02:03:39

Published Thursday, 16 Mar 2006 by Inter Press Service

So Bolton has used his extensive diplomatic skills and managed to alienate a full 99.4% of the worlds countries.$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he vote in the General Assembly was 170 in favour and four against (United States, Israel, Marshall Islands, Palau), with three abstentions (Venezuela, Iran and Belarus).
I think the world is basically getting sick and tired of the US.
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Re: U.N. Creates New Watchdog Over U.S. Opposition

Unread postby Zardoz » Fri 17 Mar 2006, 02:17:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '.')..I think the world is basically getting sick and tired of the US.


Are you kidding? Even Americans are getting sick and tired of the U.S., and with good reason:

"The United States, despite its opposition to the Council, has claimed it will 'work with' the Council, and we can anticipate it will expect to win a seat in the first term," Bennis told IPS.

But such an effort should be rejected, she said, as countries evaluating human rights records keep in mind the continuing patterns of U.S. human rights violations both within the United States itself and internationally, where U.S. military or political officials are in power.

"No country with such a record of torture, secret detentions, 'extraordinary renditions,' rejection of the jurisdiction of the International Criminal Court (ICC), denial of due process and generations of capital punishment, even for minors and the mentally disabled -- all as a matter of official policy -- should be allowed to serve on the new Human Rights Council," said Bennis, author of "Challenging Empire: How People, Governments and the U.N. Defy U.S."

If the General Assembly does indeed allow the United States a seat, she argued, special care should be taken to insure that the mandatory human rights evaluation carried out of all members be taken very seriously when it comes to the U.S., so that the claim that the so-called "indispensable nation" should be somehow exempt from human rights scrutiny will be rejected.


EDIT:

And even Republicans are getting sick and tired of Dubya:

GOP irritation at Bush brewing for long time
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