[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'W')ow, the Rs have really come off the rails, they can't even decided what their ransom demands are now.

Make me wonder if the plan all along wasn't to kill the economy rather than just hold it hostage.

[PrestonSturges]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'W')ow, the Rs have really come off the rails, they can't even decided what their ransom demands are now.

Make me wonder if the plan all along wasn't to kill the economy rather than just hold it hostage.

[Plantagenet]

Hooo-RAY! We're gonna borrow more money so we won't default on paying the interest on the money we've already borrowed!!!

Mr. Market is up 200 points!!!!

We're saved!!!!

[Pops]

I thought from the beginning the Rs would fold at the last minute without much to show. Too bad O keep thinking there was anyone on the right that would ever negotiate with him, maybe he's finally given that up. I think consensus is good but that died with Gingrich and the TEAs buried any that was left.

This next election will be interesting.

[Plantagenet]

the Senate is set to re-open government until January and lift the debt ceiling until February. The only strings attached are more stringent verification of income for Americans who get subsidized health insurance under the health-care law that came into effect earlier this month, and the elimination of a tax on insurers...

Well, I'm surprised.

While the MSM cheers the great victory for Obama and the Ds in re-opening the government for a grand total of 3 months and being allowed to borrow another quarter trillion dollars or so so they can pay the vig on the money they've already borrowed, the Rs have quietly managed to win some important changes in the ACA---a new tax cut for those insurers who offer the so-called "gold-plated" healthcare plans for people who aren't on Obamacare and a new requirement that people who sign up for Obamacare will have to have their incomes verified to reduce fraud.

[Pops]

I'm not sure how much more stringent the income verification can be, when I tried to sign up they wanted check stubs to prove my 2014 income, lol

[Timo]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '[')i]the Senate is set to re-open government until January and lift the debt ceiling until February. The only strings attached are more stringent verification of income for Americans who get subsidized health insurance under the health-care law that came into effect earlier this month, and the elimination of a tax on insurers...

Well, I'm surprised.

While the MSM cheers the great victory for Obama and the Ds in re-opening the government for a grand total of 3 months and being allowed to borrow another quarter trillion dollars or so so they can pay the vig on the money they've already borrowed, the Rs have quietly managed to win some important changes in the ACA---a new tax cut for those insurers who offer the so-called "gold-plated" healthcare plans for people who aren't on Obamacare and a new requirement that people who sign up for Obamacare will have to have their incomes verified to reduce fraud.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Timo', '
')
Yep. Under the Rs MO, everyone is guilty of fraud ...

[careinke]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'I')'m not sure how much more stringent the income verification can be, when I tried to sign up they wanted check stubs to prove my 2014 income, lol

[Pops]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'I')'m not sure how much more stringent the income verification can be, when I tried to sign up they wanted check stubs to prove my 2014 income, lol

[Pops]

So what did the GOP get for their trouble?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')y a 22-point margin (53 percent to 31 percent), the public blames the Republican Party more for the shutdown than President Barack Obama – a wider margin of blame for the GOP than the party received during the poll during the last shutdown in 1995-96.

Just 24 percent of respondents have a favorable opinion about the GOP, and only 21 percent have a favorable view of the Tea Party, which are both at all-time lows in the history of poll.

[Timo]

It's awfully hard to implment a brand new program, nationwide that requires the participation of millions of people across every State in the Union when 1/2 or more of those States are deliberately trying to sabotage it. Sabotaging the ACA has been priority #1 for the entire Republican Party since before it was even adopted. Some States welcomed the program. Others fought it tooth and nail, to their own disadvantage. I'm not at all surprised that it's experiencing pains in its implementation. These frustrations were deliberately orchestrated in State legislatures and Governor's offices across the country. It's hard to blame the President for the deliberate efforts to undermine the program at the State level.

[PrestonSturges]

I was talking to some folks who are generally elderly and lukewarm towards Obama at best and they said a default would lead to a civil war. I asked "A civil war against who?" and the answer was "A civil war against the Tea Party. Hunt them down and kill them!"

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Timo', ' ')These frustrations were deliberately orchestrated in State legislatures and Governor's offices across the country. It's hard to blame the President for the deliberate efforts to undermine the program at the State level.

[Lore]

Forbes, the guys that also bring you climate change denial.

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '[')img]http://nicedeb.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/obamabowwith-feet2.gif[/img]

[Plantagenet]

Lore---If you don't like what FORBES said, then check out CNN

Obamacare website crashing due to design flaws

While CNN is less specific then Forbes about the reasons for the crashes, CNN still puts the blame directly on the poor design and implementation of the software for Healthcare.gov set up by the Obama administration, rather than on "wreckers" or the Rs or aliens or some other handy scapegoat.

[Lore]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'I')f you don't like what FORBES said, then check out CNN

Obamacare website crashing due to design flaws

While CNN is less specific then Forbes about the reasons for the crashes, CNN still puts the blame directly on the poor design and implementation of the software for Healthcare.gov set up by the Obama administration, rather than on "wreckers" or the Rs or aliens or some other handy scapegoat.

[PrestonSturges]

My day is not complete until i have an excuse to ridicule zerohedge, and zerohedge never lets me down.

[AgentR11]

Cowards caved. What bugs me though, is why pick the fight if you aren't willing to go to the mat? And since they've proved they won't go to the mat, why not just extend the debt limit to $100 trillion, write a 3 yr CR, and go home and go fishing.