[John_A]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'T')he bottom line was maximum force was on the side of Zimmerman not Trayvon.

[Lore]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('John_A', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'T')he bottom line was maximum force was on the side of Zimmerman not Trayvon.

[PrestonSturges]

And even though GZ had taken 6 - 12 months of MMA fighting and grappling classes, he was pinned by a kid weighing 1/3 less than him, simply by having the kid sit on him?

What would have worked is this:
1) GZ sits on TM, and can keep him down because he is so much heavier
2) TM hits and scratches him because TM's arms are longer, inflicts little damage because he has very little muscle mass and he's on the ground.
3) TM screams for help because he's pinned, or it could be GZ because he has no idea what to do
4) GZ is able to reach the gun at his back because he's on top
5) GZ has TM by the lapel area of the hoodie, shoots TM while yanking on sweatshirt, which explains the powder burn pattern.

Maybe that's close to the truth, but we'll never know.

If the prosecution had even tried to tell a coherent story, they could have gotten a conviction with 1/10 the evidence.

I think there should be a lawsuit, not so much for TM, but to expose the complete lack of effort on the part of the prosecution.

[Subjectivist]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'A')nd even though GZ had taken 6 - 12 months of MMA fighting and grappling classes, he was pinned by a kid weighing 1/3 less than him, simply by having the kid sit on him?

What would have worked is this:
1) GZ sits on TM, and can keep him down because he is so much heavier
2) TM hits and scratches him because TM's arms are longer, inflicts little damage because he has very little muscle mass and he's on the ground.
3) TM screams for help because he's pinned, or it could be GZ because he has no idea what to do
4) GZ is able to reach the gun at his back because he's on top
5) GZ has TM by the lapel area of the hoodie, shoots TM while yanking on sweatshirt, which explains the powder burn pattern.

Maybe that's close to the truth, but we'll never know.

If the prosecution had even tried to tell a coherent story, they could have gotten a conviction with 1/10 the evidence.

I think there should be a lawsuit, not so much for TM, but to expose the complete lack of effort on the part of the prosecution.

[Oneaboveall]

I find myself in the really uncomfortable position of agreeing with Newt Gingrich of all people:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '.')..The fact is that six women sat in a jury for five solid weeks,” he continued. “I watched these protesters, none of whom read the transcript, none of whom sat through five weeks of the trial, all of whom who are prepared basically to be a lynch mob. They only wanted one verdict...

[John_A]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', ' ')How do we know that it wasn't Zimmerman shoving his gun 3 inches deep in Trayvon's belly and he was just defending himself?

[PrestonSturges]

"....The official report, prepared by the medical examiner in Volusia County, Fla., also found that the 17-year-old Martin had one other fresh injury — a small abrasion, no more than a quarter-inch in size — on his left ring finger below the knuckle."

[John_A]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'A')nd even though GZ had taken 6 - 12 months of MMA fighting and grappling classes, he was pinned by a kid weighing 1/3 less than him, simply by having the kid sit on him?

[PrestonSturges]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Oneaboveall', 'I') find myself in the really uncomfortable position of agreeing with Newt Gingrich of all people:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '.')..The fact is that six women sat in a jury for five solid weeks,” he continued. “I watched these protesters, none of whom read the transcript, none of whom sat through five weeks of the trial, all of whom who are prepared basically to be a lynch mob. They only wanted one verdict...

[Lore]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('John_A', '
')I'll bet the gun was almost an afterthought, who wants to bet GZ was so scared early on he forgot he had it on him?

[Oneaboveall]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'Y')eah because so many white folks have been "lynched" by blacks.

That's not a slip of the tongue, that's Newt using carefully chosen racially charged language in the most offensive possible way while promoting a fantasy world of white victimization.

If we ever elect a jewish president, I'm fairly sure that Newt would pop up at B'nai B'rith saying "Let's not forget the real victims of the Holocaust - the Aryan race," with his usual doughy smirk.

[dinopello]

Nobody but Zimmerman knows what really happened and he ain't testifying. Although in a civil suit he could be compelled to. But the witnesses were conflicting about who was on top, who was screaming etc. Here's what I think happened.

GZ cruising in his car thinks he spotted one of the black guys that had been breaking into homes. TM notices creepy guy following him and starts some evasive type maneuvers (walking fast, looking around, maybe changing route). To GZ, this confirms that this is a bad guy. GZ exits vehicle and confronts TM. TM probably refuses to answer GZ or is otherwise uncooperative with GZ's attempted detention. GZ may have pulled the weapon or not, but somehow a scuffle ensued. TM may have thought his life was in danger but TM was probably winning the fight and GZ may have thought his life was in danger because he wrongly assumed that TZ was a criminal. GZ shoots and kills TM. GZ at the time probably thought himself a hero because he thought he took out a public menace.

Stand your ground is really a 'don't be the dead guy' law because dead men cannot tell their tales.

[PrestonSturges]

This is pretty entertaining
http://calorielab.com/news/2013/07/03/g ... al-eating/

At the time of the killing GZ outweighed TM by about 35 lbs - Police estimate of 195 for GZ v. 160 for TM autopsy report.

Since then GZ is estimated to inhaled over 400,000 extra calories to pudge up for the trial.

[John_A]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('John_A', '
')I'll bet the gun was almost an afterthought, who wants to bet GZ was so scared early on he forgot he had it on him?

[PrestonSturges]

I have little doubt the Zimmermans are on the phone right this moment trying to package themselves as the next white trash reality tv stars. The Martins came through this with way more dignity than I probably could have managed, but the Zimmermans look like a bunch of circus animals. GZ's brother seems completely brain dead except that he won't STFU to save his life. His last gem of wisdom is that GZ has to go through life being afraid of vigilantes. Teh stupid, it burns.

[Lore]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'I') have little doubt the Zimmermans are on the phone right this moment trying to package themselves as the next white trash reality tv stars. The Martins came through this with way more dignity than I probably could have managed, but the Zimmermans look like a bunch of circus animals. GZ's brother seems completely brain dead except that he won't STFU to save his life. His last gem of wisdom is that GZ has to go through life being afraid of vigilantes. Teh stupid, it burns.

[John_A]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'W')hat ever happened to civility and manners?

[Oneaboveall]

I @#%$&* hate prosecutors:

Angela Corey Fires Whistleblower Who Revealed The Withholding Of Evidence From Zimmerman Defense:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '(')IT director Ben) Kruidbos received a letter today telling him that he “can never again be trusted to step foot in this office.” This obviously angry termination followed his extraction of photos from the cell phone of shooting victim Trayvon Martin that showed a gun, a marijuana plant and jewelry, as well as a text message referring to a gun transaction. Kruidbos was surprised that the evidence was not turned over to the defense — a common violation in criminal cases where prosecutors withhold evidence to prevent its use by the defense.

[PrestonSturges]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Oneaboveall', 'I') @#%$&* hate prosecutors:

[John_A]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', '
')Oh well, I think the one thing we can all agree on is that the prosecution did a shit job.