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by Laromi » Sun 16 Jun 2013, 01:27:01
It will seem like only yesterday and all those Greenland folk will be back into viticulture and cavorting in paddocks green AGAIN.
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by dorlomin » Sun 16 Jun 2013, 05:35:50
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Laromi', 'I')t will seem like only yesterday and all those Greenland folk will be back into viticulture and cavorting in paddocks green AGAIN.
Are you drunk? Because you are not making any sense.
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by Laromi » Sun 16 Jun 2013, 10:08:17
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dorlomin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Laromi', 'I')t will seem like only yesterday and all those Greenland folk will be back into viticulture and cavorting in paddocks green AGAIN.
Are you drunk? Because you are not making any sense.
Just grabbed the closest reference on agronomy,
Iron age (1500 B.C. onwards) - The Little Ice age (1450 A.D.–1870 A.D.): Beginning about 1450 A.D. is a marked return to colder conditions, often called. ‘The Little Ice Age’, a term used to describe an epoch of renewed glacial advance. Glaciers advanced in Europe, Asia and North America, whilst sea ice in the North Atlantic expanded with detrimental effects for the colonies of Greenland and Iceland.
Ref:A textbook of Agronomy Copyright © 2010, New Age International (P) Ltd., Publishers. B. Chandrasekaran, B.Sc., M.Sc. (Ag.), Ph.D. Director of Research Tamil Nadu Agricultural University Coimbatore. K. Annadurai, B.Sc., M.Sc. (Ag.), Ph.D. Associate Professor of Agronomy Agricultural Engineering College and Research Institute, Kumulur Tamil Nadu Agricultural University. E. Somasundaram, B.Sc., M.Sc. (Ag.), Ph.D. Associate Professor of Agronomy Agricultural Research Station Aliyarnagar, Tamil Nadu.The point I am making is perhaps we are heading back to the future when Greenland was an arable country, rather than a perpetual winter wilderness. Grapes, as I remember, were believed to have grown there, ergo the green paddocks. A light hearted look at GW.
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by Lore » Sun 16 Jun 2013, 10:33:05
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Laromi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dorlomin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Laromi', 'I')t will seem like only yesterday and all those Greenland folk will be back into viticulture and cavorting in paddocks green AGAIN.
Are you drunk? Because you are not making any sense.
Just grabbed the closest reference on agronomy,
Iron age (1500 B.C. onwards) - The Little Ice age (1450 A.D.–1870 A.D.): Beginning about 1450 A.D. is a marked return to colder conditions, often called. ‘The Little Ice Age’, a term used to describe an epoch of renewed glacial advance. Glaciers advanced in Europe, Asia and North America, whilst sea ice in the North Atlantic expanded with detrimental effects for the colonies of Greenland and Iceland.
Ref:A textbook of Agronomy Copyright © 2010, New Age International (P) Ltd., Publishers. B. Chandrasekaran, B.Sc., M.Sc. (Ag.), Ph.D. Director of Research Tamil Nadu Agricultural University Coimbatore. K. Annadurai, B.Sc., M.Sc. (Ag.), Ph.D. Associate Professor of Agronomy Agricultural Engineering College and Research Institute, Kumulur Tamil Nadu Agricultural University. E. Somasundaram, B.Sc., M.Sc. (Ag.), Ph.D. Associate Professor of Agronomy Agricultural Research Station Aliyarnagar, Tamil Nadu.The point I am making is perhaps we are heading back to the future when Greenland was an arable country, rather than a perpetual winter wilderness. Grapes, as I remember, were believed to have grown there, ergo the green paddocks. A light hearted look at GW.
If you do a little more research you'll find that Greeland was never that hospitable to general agricultural crops in all of human history. The Greenland ice sheet has existed for at least 400,000 years. The fact that the ice is now rapidly disappearing should greatly worry us.
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by Laromi » Sun 16 Jun 2013, 11:17:16
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Laromi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dorlomin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Laromi', 'I')t will seem like only yesterday and all those Greenland folk will be back into viticulture and cavorting in paddocks green AGAIN.
Are you drunk? Because you are not making any sense.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '<')/div>If you do a little more research you'll find that Greeland was never that hospitable to general agricultural crops in all of human history. The Greenland ice sheet has existed for at least 400,000 years. The fact that the ice is now rapidly disappearing should greatly worry us.
by Lore » Sun 16 Jun 2013, 11:43:03
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Laromi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'A')nd we're seeing ancient ice melt there that predates Norse settlements.
Which really only goes to prove GW is episodic, does it not?
The evidence points to rapid melting due to climate change. Primarily driven by anthropogenic causes. Changes in climate always have a reason and are not necessarily cyclical in nature.
The things that will destroy America are prosperity-at-any-price, peace-at-any-price, safety-first instead of duty-first, the love of soft living, and the get-rich-quick theory of life.
... Theodore Roosevelt
by Laromi » Sun 16 Jun 2013, 11:51:27
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dorlomin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Laromi', ' ') Grapes, as I remember, were believed to have grown there,
Utter, utter, utter bilge.
Grapes cannot grow below about 15C. So the UK is about as far north as it gets, yet the UK does not even have a single glacier many hundeds of miles to the north and over 1km above where grapes are grown.
You are trying to tell us that southern Greenland had UK style summers but still icesheets?
Your ability to think through a problem is abysmal. Yet that very lack of any intellectual skill no doubt leads you to a supreme confidence in your wacky theories.
dorlomin, it appears you have poor skills in comprehension and a sharp tongue. Go back and READ not LOOK at what I wrote!
by Lore » Sun 16 Jun 2013, 12:02:37
It's an old denier meme that never seems to die...
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he Greenland ice sheet is at least 400,000 to 800,000 years old. Certainly it was alive and well when the island was named around 1000 years ago. So where did the Green in Greenland come from? According to Wikipedia, legend has it was good marketing on the part of Erik the Red who figured it would attract more settlers (if he was more vain, it may have been called Redland). Or perhaps its a derivation of Engronelant or Gruntland. The main point is while the ice sheet has always been there, Greenland probably was somewhat warmer during the Medieval Period and part of Greenland was green.
http://skepticalscience.com/greenland-u ... -green.htm
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by Laromi » Sun 16 Jun 2013, 12:24:08
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Laromi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'A')nd we're seeing ancient ice melt there that predates Norse settlements.
Which really only goes to prove GW is episodic, does it not?
The evidence points to rapid melting due to climate change. Primarily driven by anthropogenic causes. Changes in climate always have a reason and are not necessarily cyclical in nature.
Lore, you wrote, "And we're seeing ancient ice melt there that predates Norse settlements", also "The Greenland ice sheet has existed for at least 400,000 years. Are you saying there has been no change to the Greenland ice sheet until the last 100 years or so and none before 400.000 years ago?
And, "The fact that the ice is now rapidly disappearing should greatly worry us," also "...rapid melting due to climate change.
Primarily driven by anthropogenic causes. It's a bit hard to prove, but that an ice shift 400.000 years ago was due to or by anthropogenic causes? That's a pretty big claim. But then, since the earth has been around for what? since precambrian times, 4.600 mya who knows? Geologists?
Lore you are
looking at what I said and putting your own spin on it, please read. I did not say "cyclical" I said
episodic, there is a difference.
by Laromi » Sun 16 Jun 2013, 12:40:38
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'I')t's an old denier meme that never seems to die...
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he Greenland ice sheet is at least 400,000 to 800,000 years old. Certainly it was alive and well when the island was named around 1000 years ago. So where did the Green in Greenland come from? According to Wikipedia, legend has it was good marketing on the part of Erik the Red who figured it would attract more settlers (if he was more vain, it may have been called Redland). Or perhaps its a derivation of Engronelant or Gruntland. The main point is while the ice sheet has always been there, Greenland probably was somewhat warmer during the Medieval Period and part of Greenland was green.
http://skepticalscience.com/greenland-u ... -green.htm Lore, I would take that argument, in which you claim I quoted Wikipedia, up with Scott A. Mandia. Scott A. Mandia is the authority from which I quoted:
Scott A. Mandia
Professor - Physical Sciences
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by dorlomin » Sun 16 Jun 2013, 12:49:00
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Laromi', '
')dorlomin, it appears you have poor skills in comprehension
I don't. You are just a clown.
You have even admitted your contributions to this thread are merely clowning around.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')s I said it was a light hearted
Grapes in Greenland tells me everything I need to know about your knowledge, but you will insist on inflicting this thread with that painful lack of knowledge.
This is a thread for sober and sensible discussions.
by Laromi » Sun 16 Jun 2013, 13:36:10
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dorlomin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Laromi', '
')dorlomin, it appears you have poor skills in comprehension
I don't. You are just a clown.
You have even admitted your contributions to this thread are merely clowning around.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')s I said it was a light hearted
Grapes in Greenland tells me everything I need to know about your knowledge, but you will insist on inflicting this thread with that painful lack of knowledge.
This is a thread for sober and sensible discussions.
Please parse the following sentence; that is if you know how to do so. Elsewise have someone assist you in the task. "Grapes, as I remember, were believed to have grown there, ergo the green paddocks". (As to the authority of the premise of grapes having grown in Greenland, I shall attempt to rediscover the author and circumstances under which the author came to that conclusion.)
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')ou have even admitted your contributions to this thread are merely clowning around
by Laromi » Mon 17 Jun 2013, 03:48:07
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dorlomin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')Elsewise
Oh dear.
Anyway.
I suggest you start hereThen read this.So you have a minimum level of knowledge to enter the conversation.
Wikipedia is your source of information?
From Wikipedia on reliability of information: The library at Trent University in Ontario states of Wikipedia that many articles are "long and comprehensive", but that there is "a lot of room for misinformation and bias [and] a lot of variability in both the quality and depth of articles." It adds that Wikipedia has advantages and limitations, that it has "excellent coverage of technical topics" and articles are "often added quickly and, as a result, coverage of current events is quite good", comparing this to traditional sources which are unable to achieve this task.
It concludes that, depending upon the need, one should think critically and assess the appropriateness of one's sources, "whether you are looking for fact or opinion, how in-depth you want to be as you explore a topic, the importance of reliability and accuracy, and the importance of timely or recent information", and adds that Wikipedia can be used in any event as a "starting point."[49], and also;
Librarian viewsIn a 2004 interview with The Guardian, self-described information specialist and Internet consultant[45] Philip Bradley said that he would not use Wikipedia and was "not aware of a single librarian who would. The main problem is the lack of authority. With printed publications, the publishers have to ensure that their data are reliable, as their livelihood depends on it. But with something like this (Wikipedia), all that goes out the window."[46]
Wicki is your source of reference? Ha, then would be so good as to please comment on these quotes from Wiki and probable outcome as you imply to be so knowledgeable on AGW and climatology in general; $this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')n often-cited 1980 study by Imbrie and Imbrie determined that, "Ignoring anthropogenic and other possible sources of variation acting at frequencies higher than one cycle per 19,000 years, this model predicts that the long-term cooling trend that began some 6,000 years ago will continue for the next 23,000 years."[19];
More recent work by Berger and Loutre suggests that the current warm climate may last another 50,000 years.[20]
, oh dear. Both references virtually within the same paragraph.
Thanks but no thanks for your suggestion, been there done that, I suggest you visit the following with your AGW hat in hand:
http://endofgw.blogspot.com/ http://climatechange90.blogspot.com/201 ... -been.html , and of course,
http://theclimatescepticsparty.blogspot ... 1268058537. or
http://www.drroyspencer.com/2013/01/was ... ment-68988An interesting shelf reference book you may not want to read: Who Turned on the Heat – The Unsuspected Global Warming Culprit, El Niño-Southern Oscillation” written by Bob Tisdale. It explains stuff really easy for kids.
You do know the difference between GW and AGW don't you?
by dorlomin » Mon 17 Jun 2013, 04:27:11
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Laromi', '
')Wikipedia is your source of information?
No.
Its where you could start to learn a little so as not to make a fool of yourself and keep dragging this thread off topic with your attention seeking.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')ou do know the difference between GW and AGW
There is a thread for conspiracy theories, cranks and other fools here. This thread is for discussing what is happening in the Arctic.
