[dsula]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Beery1', ' ')Buying gasoline is for suckers. That's all I said.

[Beery1]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'S')uckers like the providers of all those services? Should they prefer to go out of business if they can't 'do it on a bike'? (Just askin')

[Econ101]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Econ101', 'S')NAP (food stamps) affects food prices more than fuel costs.

[Econ101]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ROCKMAN', 'P')ops – “Just think if that 900,000 barrels North Dakota pumped today would flow right into a gas refinery…” Colour me confused again: AFAIK every bbl of oil produced in N Dakota does flow into a refinery somewhere. Along with every future bbl. And along with the 18 million bbls of oil we consume every day.

And not to take a bit of credit away from beery but I had never bought a teaspoon of motor fuel for the first 25 years of my life. And the grandparents who raised me never bought a teaspoon of motor fuel their entire lives. OTOH they and I have depended on the consumption of motor fuel for ever day of our lives. We might not have been burning any but someone was for our benefit.

Now if I could get about 100 million Americans to follow beery’s lead I could buy that V8 4X4 pickup I’ve always longed for. LOL.

[Econ101]

I heard on the news gas prices have been affected by scheduled refinery maintenance and a break down. The impact on price was immediate. A big refinery in North Dakota, converting 1 million b/d of crude into useful gasoline and other products would certainly be a relief to the strained system.

All oil goes to the refinery but it takes time and money to ship/store and handle. Shortening that distance wouldn't add any more energy to the oil but from the holistic standpoint would be a good idea. eroei you know?

These fluctuations in gas prices are not related to the worlds oil supplies. They are for the purposes of our lifetimes infinite. This is a sign of a strained system, running at capacity. Its nice for them, a plant at full capacity is more profitable. Its costly for us. If we are going to be producing a million barrels or more/day that we didnt have before we need more refining capacity and demand for the products.

Again, the reason we dont have the refinery capacity we need is peak oil politics. Getting necessary permits is almost impossible. The Berthold refinery in North Dakota is on the Indian Nation, presumably out of the grasp of the peak oil politicians.

[ralfy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Econ101', 'I') heard on the news gas prices have been affected by scheduled refinery maintenance and a break down. The impact on price was immediate. A big refinery in North Dakota, converting 1 million b/d of crude into useful gasoline and other products would certainly be a relief to the strained system.

All oil goes to the refinery but it takes time and money to ship/store and handle. Shortening that distance wouldn't add any more energy to the oil but from the holistic standpoint would be a good idea. eroei you know?

These fluctuations in gas prices are not related to the worlds oil supplies. They are for the purposes of our lifetimes infinite. This is a sign of a strained system, running at capacity. Its nice for them, a plant at full capacity is more profitable. Its costly for us. If we are going to be producing a million barrels or more/day that we didnt have before we need more refining capacity and demand for the products.

Again, the reason we dont have the refinery capacity we need is peak oil politics. Getting necessary permits is almost impossible. The Berthold refinery in North Dakota is on the Indian Nation, presumably out of the grasp of the peak oil politicians.

[vision-master]

$4.39 gal here now, expect $4.49 tomorrow.....

[C8]

This must be a refinery or pipeline thing you are experiencing- here in Ohio its only about $3.60, nowhere near the all time high (and only weeks before Memorial Day)

[vision-master]

Yeah, shut down two refineries Memorial Weekend? I'm thinking this is more like a 'test run' to see how far TPTB can drive up prices.

[SeaGypsy]

Thought you were driving some technology designed to cope with high fuel costs VM? Really Americans moaning on an international site about high prices which are substantially less than most of the rest of us have been paying for years, gets a little tiresome.

[dorlomin]

The UK has had a 20% drop in petrol consumption in the past 5 years.

We hit local peak oil in 1999.

We have also had flat growth for the past 5 years.

Abundance not an option round here.

Still dont drive, cycle to anywhere closer than 150 miles and rely on rail to get me further.

[Lore]

We don't have rail here in the US. Getting to the nearest town for store bought food for me would mean a round trip of 34 miles. A bit difficult especially in the winter running through snow drifts with my bike. Unfortunately we've built a lifestyle around suburbia and a network of roads to access services that are often at distances not easily reached by anything other than a motorized vehicle. Those distances to goods and services have only gotten farther away over time as big box stores, lead by Walmart, have destroyed small village stores which use to support local rural communities.

[dissident]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'T')hought you were driving some technology designed to cope with high fuel costs VM? Really Americans moaning on an international site about high prices which are substantially less than most of the rest of us have been paying for years, gets a little tiresome.

[Pops]

It's the typical May switch to summer blend. Probably aggravated in the midwest this year by the oil cos exporting all that excess unleaded out of Cushing - stocks there are down 15% from a couple of months ago.

Yee Haw, we're an exporter!

I know everyone said fracking is a miracle but it just goes to show that you can find a miracle anywhere if you look hard enough. Someone found a vision of Jesus on their dog's ass...

[Beery1]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'W')e don't have rail here in the US. Getting to the nearest town for store bought food for me would mean a round trip of 34 miles...

[Beery1]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dissident', 'E')xcept for a few cities like New York, Boston, Chicago, etc. which have half decent public transport, Americans actually need cars to move around.

[Lore]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Beery1', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'W')e don't have rail here in the US. Getting to the nearest town for store bought food for me would mean a round trip of 34 miles...

[AgentR11]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Beery1', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'W')e don't have rail here in the US. Getting to the nearest town for store bought food for me would mean a round trip of 34 miles...

[Beery1]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'E')ven if it came to that sooner, I very much doubt the store would have anything on the shelves anyway. Venturing out would be just a dangerous wasted trip at that point.

[AgentR11]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Beery1', 'I')f it can be done in Europe by a geeky 130lb weakling like I was at that time, it can be done in the US by anyone in even mediocre shape.