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How will the US Government React To Financial Collapse ?

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Postby ubercrap » Sun 05 Jun 2005, 19:12:51

Oh... dear... lord... 8O :?

I have no clue what the government might do in the situation...
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Postby DomusAlbion » Sun 05 Jun 2005, 19:23:54

All those without a place and who are unproductive and wandering around will end up in camps where they'll eventually die from malnutrition.
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Postby gego » Sun 05 Jun 2005, 19:47:41

Look at how the US government reacted to 911; REPRESSION OF FREEDOM.

That is all government knows how to do, use force.

Look at what Roosevelt did in the 1930 collapse; he confiscated wealt from individuals, gold, and gave them paper money that eventually became worth a few pennies on the dollar.

If you butt isn't already raw from the a** f**king that the government is giving you, it soon will be.

So much for all of you who beg for even more government rule of your lives.
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Postby Tyler_JC » Sun 05 Jun 2005, 19:51:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'J')ulian's ideas sound crazy, but consider that if you took a piece of land 5 mile square anywhere in the USA and gave each person a 100 sq feet of space in complexes of 100 story apartment buildings you could house 250 MILLION people.

:lol: :lol: :lol:
I can't help but laugh at a statement like that.

Where would the money come from to build all of that? Without a functioning economy, the government would have no revenue and would be pushed into default. Our Kind and Gentle Creditors would not be pleased!

Do you have any idea how much energy would be required to cool that thing down? It would be an impossible task, we simply don't have the technology to A. keep people alive in there and B. keep them from literally melting from the animal/electrical heat.

Additionally, centralization would make the problems of food transportation and energy use even worse. The logistics just wouldn't work.

But I don't think that was the point of the post...

Earth has 6.5 billion people. Earth can support 1 billion of us living a decent lifestyle. Earth has a serious overpopulation of humans. Earth will find a solution... :twisted:

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Postby jato » Sun 05 Jun 2005, 20:11:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'J')ulian's ideas sound crazy, but consider that if you took a piece of land 5 mile square anywhere in the USA and gave each person a 100 sq feet of space in complexes of 100 story apartment buildings you could house 250 MILLION people.


That sounds like the Matrix pods! 8O


Declining fossil fuels will mean an end to the socialist way of life. There will eventually be no more government handouts. Like it was in the past, most people will have to work hard & also have a certain amount of “luck” in order to survive.
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Postby ubercrap » Sun 05 Jun 2005, 20:15:14

Wait a minute, are we sure about the authenticity of this interview?
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Postby ubercrap » Sun 05 Jun 2005, 20:17:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jato', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'J')ulian's ideas sound crazy, but consider that if you took a piece of land 5 mile square anywhere in the USA and gave each person a 100 sq feet of space in complexes of 100 story apartment buildings you could house 250 MILLION people.


That sounds like the Matrix pods! 8O


Declining fossil fuels will mean an end to the socialist way of life. There will eventually be no more government handouts. Like it was in the past, most people will have to work hard & also have a certain amount of “luck” in order to survive.


The end of corporate welfare too, I hope? :-D
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Postby smallpoxgirl » Sun 05 Jun 2005, 20:38:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jato', 'D')eclining fossil fuels will mean an end to the socialist way of life. There will eventually be no more government handouts.


I'm not so sure that's true. The purpose of government handouts has always been to stabilize the government's control. Starving people cease to be docile and controlable. Assuming the wealth disparity stays what it is, and everybody gets ratched down a few notches, there's going to be some people living in considerable luxury, and others starving to death. They aren't just going to starve quietly. Either the government will have to come up with some quick way of pruning down the population or they will have to increase the handouts to keep those people pliable. Otherwise there will be chaos in the streets, the government will be unable to restore order, and the social structure will fall apart.

On a longer term basis, I don't think there will be a centralized government. At that point, clearly it will be "feed yourself or starve".
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Postby Zentric » Sun 05 Jun 2005, 21:04:07

Kochevnik: You ask "How will the US Government react to Financial Collapse?"

With due respect, you might be asking the wrong question, where you could instead pose, "Seeing that financial collapse (as the result of horrendous national leadership) as inevitable, how will the US Government make sure that those in power stay in power, profit financially, and avoid all responsibility?"

The "financial collapse" you speak of, if it is to be sudden, will likely go down according to script.
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Postby MicroHydro » Sun 05 Jun 2005, 21:17:23

Stalin sent about 40 million people to labor camps where they were worked to death. Some were from ethnic groups he didn't like, some had been arrested randomly to meet quotas, a very few were actually opponents of the regime. Common criminals were given special priviliged status and employed as overseers. This is a good working model for the US post economic collapse.

Prisoners will grow food (for others, not themselves, they will be the fertilizer) and mine coal. Look for the prison population to come from the bankrupt, ethnics, homosexuals, intellectuals and especially opponents of the regime. Some might be offered employment as cannon fodder in the army if they are lucky. It would be run the same way whether a Bush or a Clinton is in charge. Even if the US breaks up into regional entities, each will arrive at a similar system. This will go on until the population is reduced to a sustainable level.
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Postby ubercrap » Sun 05 Jun 2005, 21:27:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MicroHydro', 'S')talin sent about 40 million people to labor camps where they were worked to death. Some were from ethnic groups he didn't like, some had been arrested randomly to meet quotas, a very few were actually opponents of the regime. Common criminals were given special priviliged status and employed as overseers. This is a good working model for the US post economic collapse.

Prisoners will grow food (for others, not themselves, they will be the fertilizer) and mine coal. Look for the prison population to come from the bankrupt, ethnics, homosexuals, intellectuals and especially opponents of the regime. Some might be offered employment as cannon fodder in the army if they are lucky. It would be run the same way whether a Bush or a Clinton is in charge. Even if the US breaks up into regional entities, each will arrive at a similar system. This will go on until the population is reduced to a sustainable level.


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Postby gg3 » Mon 06 Jun 2005, 07:03:22

As I said in the other topic on this subject, shouting Fire in a crowded theatre isn't advisable, particularly when the theatre smells of wood smoke. What's needed is for each person who's aware of the problem to get up and calmly lead the people in his/her own row to the nearest exit.

Apocalyptic prophesies have a way of distracting peoples' attention from the very real slow & ongoing decline.

I've often said that if you took today's newspapers, climbed into a time machine, set the dials for 1960, and then showed the people of that era what the 21st century looked like, they would think you were an apocalyptic nutcase. The decline & fall is already with us, we just don't see it because it's incremental.

How many people on this site bought houses in the last few years while the bubble was underway? How many people on this site have more than $5k in credit card debt?

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