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Re: Back to the city
by rwwff » Thu 17 Aug 2006, 10:28:53
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dreamtwister', 'I')'ve got to agree. Even if it did become necessary to cull entire cities, there are far more efficient methods of doing it.
Allow nature to do the culling. She's pretty experienced with the process.
See: New Orleans. One more hurricane within the next five years, and that city might as well be erased from the maps and listed as a Historical Monument or something.
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Re: Back to the city
by Dreamtwister » Thu 17 Aug 2006, 14:13:32
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rwwff', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dreamtwister', 'I')'ve got to agree. Even if it did become necessary to cull entire cities, there are far more efficient methods of doing it.
Allow nature to do the culling. She's pretty experienced with the process.
See: New Orleans. One more hurricane within the next five years, and that city might as well be erased from the maps and listed as a Historical Monument or something.
I'm not disagreeing. I'm just pointing out that if it somehow became necessary to cull an entire city, there's more efficient ways of doing it than putting up a fence and letting the people starve. That method could theoretically take years, during which time you would have to assign manpower and resources that could be better spent elsewhere. Why do that, when a single high-yield cobalt device would do the same job in minutes? Heck, even a couple canisters of nerve agent would work.
Besides, building a fence introduces all kinds of other problems, like public uprisings in response to the ongoing operation, and the low morale of the troops who have to stand along that fence listening to the people inside the fence begging for thier childrens' lives and shooting escapees. Better to get it over with in 1 blinding flash. Then there's no policy to revoke, no diversion of resources away from potential uprisings, nothing.
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Re: Back to the city
by Pops » Thu 17 Aug 2006, 15:57:23
Folks, don’t let a good thread go off into fantasy land.
The legitimate object of government, is to do for a community of people, whatever they need to have done, but can not do, at all, or can not, so well do, for themselves -- in their separate, and individual capacities.
-- Abraham Lincoln, Fragment on Government (July 1, 1854)
-- Abraham Lincoln, Fragment on Government (July 1, 1854)
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Re: Back to the city
by rwwff » Thu 17 Aug 2006, 17:30:01
I guess, to return to the original content...
Seeing as how it might be unfortunate to be a cull-ee...
If someone is going to bail on the suburbs now, and pick city core living, it might be wise to consider the natural forces that might act on that city. I think folks end up best off at over 300 ft of elevation, and at least 50 ft above the nearest creekbed or other drainage channel. Away from the effects of hurricanes and earthquakes which can kill very large swaths of city, thus rendering them mostly unfixable. Reasonable bus and/or train transportation.
Oh, and close the sale on your existing house before you buy a new abode.
Seeing as how it might be unfortunate to be a cull-ee...
If someone is going to bail on the suburbs now, and pick city core living, it might be wise to consider the natural forces that might act on that city. I think folks end up best off at over 300 ft of elevation, and at least 50 ft above the nearest creekbed or other drainage channel. Away from the effects of hurricanes and earthquakes which can kill very large swaths of city, thus rendering them mostly unfixable. Reasonable bus and/or train transportation.
Oh, and close the sale on your existing house before you buy a new abode.
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Re: Back to the city
by AgentR11 » Sun 20 May 2012, 10:36:48
Got a tough, "put your money where your mouth is" question for you urban planner types.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Waterthrush', 'T')here are many models for mixing subsidized housing with market-value housing (which was the original idea behind "urban development." And the advantages of offering mass transit and pedestrian travel seem to me very important.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Waterthrush', 'T')here are many models for mixing subsidized housing with market-value housing (which was the original idea behind "urban development." And the advantages of offering mass transit and pedestrian travel seem to me very important.
I live in, I guess, what could be thought of us a poster-child of this, a smaller city with industrial, commercial, and resource businesses, with residential areas and commercial areas tightly mixed. I can walk, easily, from my home to several industrial activities, if I go outside, I can easily hear the stray rumbles, bangs, and spin-ups. There's a thousand apartment units within a couple miles, as well as regular homes, and even some mobile homes. I even do most of my local transportation by bicycle. (lol, redneck on a bike, just screams DUI DUI DUI DUI DUI.)
Behind the house used to be a stretch of unmanaged forest, its been cleared for a commercial site, and the Jr. High girl who is the center of our lives at this residence, is now sad, and wonders where the racoons (whom she's generically named "stripey") are going to go now. How to explain, that tight, mixed use development preserves much more unmanaged forest than it consumes? What would you tell your daughter, looking up at you sadly, with concern in her face over "Stripey" and her family?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ut, I freely acknowledge I wouldn't want to live in one Not a city girl.
I kinda like my city dwelling, but that might be because I can bail out to the farm any time I want. For now however, drawing a salary is more beneficial to our family's future than driving the tractor.
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